Can you clarify exactly how big a bunch of whingers you think the SJWs are?pErvin wrote:No, but they are as big a bunch of whingers as the sjw's that they criticise.Why not? Are they less important than the persecuted non-liberals?
I claimed that the articles said this is the program offered, and they didn't mention any other programs. If you think they offer other stress management provisions, feel free to let me know. I can't prove their absence. I can only say that I've looked and cannot find a shred of evidence that any other stress management services exist along with the coloring books.pErvin wrote:Oh here we go with your evasive bullshit. You should know very well by the now the concept of burden of proof. YOU made the claim that it's the only stress management service they provide. It's YOUR claim, it's up to YOU to provide evidence to back your claim up. The article you provided doesn't state that it's the only stress management service on offer.I'm not guessing. I've read the articles. If your assertion is that they are providing other hobby materials, then provide your evidence.pErvin wrote:Yes that's right, you are guessing. You have no clue what other services this university provides for students.The rest of the students who are just as stressed, but are fairly normal and don't destress with coloring books are supposed to deal with their stressors themselves, I guess.
You made the assertion that there were other programs. If you have knowledge, show your source. If you're not making the assertion that there were other programs, but just that there might be, then go out and find them. I agree, there might be. But, I'm not in the habit of believing "might bes" without evidence. The person making the positive assertion has the burden - I.e. you.
I'm not complaining about fairness. I'm complaining about stupid, "Progressive" bullshit waste of money and silly stress management program involving the distribution of coloring books to adults to relieve the stress of picking between women's studies and reiki studies as a major.pErvin wrote:I'm commenting on the irony of the persecuted liberal complaining about fairness while rubbishing those who argue something is unfair.A agree that the university should not cater to folks demanding gun range and football services for stress relief. I would only add coloring books. Coloring books don't make any more sense than any other destressor hobby. If unfairness is something you scoff at, then perhaps universities should provide NFL Sunday Ticket packages for those who destress with football-watching activities, and to hell with the coloring book folks? Would that be just as good?pErvin wrote:Destressing at the gun range or destressing watching football won't be included.It's not fair!!1
Good, then we agree on that. So what is the extent of an employer's duty to address stress similar to that which the coloring book program was created to relieve? The articles about the coloring books refer to stress caused by "picking a major," and "exams," and such. You know -- "going to school" stuff. So, what is the extent of an employer's responsibility - in the civilized world, as you put it - to take action to relieve stress caused by, say, showing up to work, meeting deadlines, taking telephone calls, and completing projects?pErvin wrote:Who said they have to provide colouring in books to employees? Stop making shit up.Only if it's a medical or mental health condition. Employers do not have the obligation to address employees' claims of being stressed out by having to show up for work on time, work for 8 hours, and take telephone calls, etc.pErvin wrote:In the civilised world they do, if that stress is caused from the work itself. Not in Merka, land of the free, of course.They don't have a duty to address an employee's "stress" at work.pErvin wrote: Exactly. And the same should apply to employment. Employers should have no duty of care to their employers and visitors on their site. GIVE ME FREEDUM OR GIVE ME DEATH!!!
In the US, an employee can receive workers compensation benefits for work related medical conditions, or can receive time off for serious mental health conditions, or can receive reasonable accommodations for a mental health condition which rises to the level of a disability. But, employers here do not have to provide coloring books to employees who are stressed out by the daily grind.
Look, I provided my evidence for my assertion in the OP. And, you made the claim that you think there are other programs. That's your assertion. Since you won't back it up, under your own rule here, your assertion is to be treated as bullshit.pErvin wrote:
That's not how it works, chief. YOU made a claim, YOU get to back it up, or have it treated as made up bullshit.
LOL - which university? "inter-faculty" sports events? You had access to sporting events among the "faculty?"pErvin wrote:Not in the civilised world. At uni I had access to all the sporting facilities, inter-faculty sports events, and all sorts of other activities, without paying anything extra.When a student enrolls in a course, they pay the credit fee. When they enroll in a sport, they pay the enrollment fee and for their own equipment.pErvin wrote:They aren't providing a variety of other methods. Moreover, even if they provided fuzzy bunnies, and back massages, they would not be providing, and it would not be feasible to provide, the means for all students to destress.
So what? Universities don't provide all courses or all sports and facilities that a student might want to do. You really are fucking grasping at straws now.
You had access to "all the sporting facilities?" Does that mean you could play on the team for nothing? You didn't have to join the team, try out, pay any fee, buy any equipment or uniforms?
If you say so. But, you'll have to specify, too, what's the "civilized world." I was once told that the UK was part of the civilized world, but after looking into it, I see that their universities aren't free, so they must not be civilized. Depending on the University, some British colleges are more expensive than some american universities.
Fuck off. You dish out way more than you take. You're quite often nasty and insulting. If you can't take it, then shut your face.pErvin wrote:Are you looking to get suspended?Are you dim?pErvin wrote:Poor conservative. Some people are different. You should go live in North Korea. I bet they don't have adult colouring in there.Everyone has stress. Some students should be afforded free videogames - because many students use videogames to relieve stress. Some students should be afforded free books, because they read to destress. Some students go to the movies and play board games to destress. Some go to the gun range and shoot targets or skeet.
Pretty much every hobby people engage in is a stress reliever. Model trains, miniature rockets, putting together legos, model airplanes, pyrography, etc. Schools have a duty to care for my stress! Give me my wood supplies, wood burning tool, stencils and other materials!
I have a problem with some people, sure. As do you. It's not because their "different," though. It's because their morons.pErvin wrote:"These morons [sic]". Yes, you have no problem with people who are different to you.I've never said people can't "adult color." It's the whole "free program to dole out coloring books as a destressing hobby" thing that sets it apart. Buy your own fucking coloring books, like the model train enthusiasts have to do to engage in their hobby. Or, if the university wants to start Adult Coloring 201 as a course and charge these morons tuition to learn the art of coloring and to destress, fine.
Then you haven't read about the issue, which is par for your course. You don't even read other people's posts before you declare them to be wrong. The issues that the coloring is supposed to help deal with include but are not limited to the stress associated with exams, and the stress associated with picking a major. Those are stressors of daily life as a student. Stresses related to study? That's daily life for a student. [/quote]pErvin wrote:
They're not providing it for "daily life". They are providing it for stress related to study.
Nice equivocation. Daily life =/= student daily life. They are providing stress relief for stresses specifically associated with undertaking studies at the university. By calling it "daily life" you are trying to reduce the importance of the value in providing stress relief for members of the university.[/quote]
Of course I'm not trying to reduce the importance by calling it "daily life." Nonuniversity daily life is generally far more stressful than daily life of a university student, including picking a major, studying, taking exams and making friends. Comparing the stress of the run-of-the-mill university student, to the stress of the run-of-the-mill general population, non-student, taking care of a family and supporting themselves -- that's not even a comparison. "Daily life" of a nonstudent is generally far more stressful. If anything, I'd be increasing the importance of the "student daily life" if I compared it to regular daily life.
The progressive douchebags that push for coloring book programs are like that. No bigger bunch of navel-gazing narcissists out there. You didn't see the folks destressing with videogames out there lobbying for stress relief programs involving free video games. Rather, the "everything about me" progressives run around claiming to be triggered by someone saying hi to them in the wrong tone and demand school administrations rock them in a cradle.pErvin wrote:I have to do homework and study for exams, therefore I should get a free coloring book program, but not free video games?
Interesting. Do they provide coloring books to keep the Aussies destressed?pErvin wrote:
Exactly right. You live in a backward uber-capitalist country where organisations want to bleed every last cent out of everyone that they can. The universities in Australia (and I'd bet Europe too) provide all sorts of services covered under your general fees and general funding.
Do you have an example of SJWs fighting to protect us from unethical organizations? Which SJWs? Which organizations?pErvin wrote:Haha, yeah the nasty social justice warriors are trying to take away your rights to be bled dry by unethical organisations intent on making a profit at all costs.but in a grown up country we don't, except where SJW's like you get their way.
Do you want to get suspended?pErvin wrote:
Why must "helping themselves" require directly paying for something?!What kind of busted up reasoning is that? As I said, they are literally helping themselves by availing themselves of the services available. Why is simple stuff so difficult for you?
That isn't really what we're discussing. What I'm discussing is the ridiculousness of a university providing coloring books as a stress reliever to college adults. You're talking about limited resources and other side-issues. I certainly recognize universities have limited resources, as does society as a whole. However, that doesn't change the fact that universities providing coloring books to relieve the stress college adults face in picking majors and studying for exams is fucking absurd.pErvin wrote:Goal post shift. The issue we are discussing isn't what is the best bang for buck. It's about your whinge that it's unreasonable for unis to provide only a limited set of stress relief services.The fact that they are choosing to supply coloring books is not evidence that they are the best bang for a buck. Hand cream used for masturbation is probably a better bang for the buck. There is certainly as much evidence presented to support the assertion.pErvin wrote:Already explained. The university can't provide unlimited services. It has to provide the best bang for buck.It's because the choice of coloring books is arbitrary, selective, and it is therefore a university sponsored bonus afforded to SOME stressed individuals (those for whom coloring is a hobby that helps them relieve stress). Affording those people their hobby, at the expense of all other students whose hobbies are not funded by the university is unfair.
Ok, I'll pay that one.Not in the least. Here, Brown University created a "safe space," which was created "to give people who might find comments “troubling” or “triggering,” a place to recuperate. The room was equipped with cookies, coloring books, bubbles, Play-Doh, calming music, pillows, blankets and a video of frolicking puppies, as well as students and staff members trained to deal with trauma." http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/22/opini ... ideas.html Oberlin College created similar safe spaces for students stressed out by the presence of Christina Hoff Sommers on campus -- http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/04 ... eorgetown/pErvin wrote:You like making stuff up, don't you?In addition, choosing coloring over much cooler hobbies, preferences the silly SJWs, who appear to want these stress-rooms available to them, with videos of puppies playing, blocks, puzzles and coloring books, to help them not be "triggered" by Christina Hoff-Sommers when she speaks at the university.
You'd only think that if you were an idiot.
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" And you replied with: "Because I read the articles about it the program." And you are lying (as usual) by trying to assert that I made a positive assertion. I NEVER said it wasn't the only destress service. Stop fucking making shit up for once in your life. 
