Irredeemable?

[Brian Peacock]

And what are we to take from this random collection of alpha-numeric characters Rainyday?

[DaveDodo007]

In a sane country I'd more or less agree. But there really are a significant number of knuckle-dragging imbeciles in the US, that even the sane Merkans are embarrassed by. These people are so out on the fringes of socialised behaviour that it's not really going to offend any of the rest of the country if she insults them. She'll offend them, of course, but they would never in a thousand years vote for her anyway. She was careful to say that not all Trump supporters were like these people.

Really, so you don't think this is going to come across as ivory tower elitism? I'm working class and I can tell you now the hatred for the establishment has never been higher for a long time. Whether it is ugh, rednecks/chavs they still have the same number of votes as the snooty elites. Funny thing is you lefty/liberals are the establishment now and the counter culture is us conservatives.

[DaveDodo007]

From the beginning of Trump’s campaign, I’ve found his appeal to bigotries of all sorts utterly repugnant and just about as blatant as any of the appeals coming from racists of another time like George Wallace or Lester Maddox. That’s one big reason, among many, why I’m voting for Hillary Clinton this November.

However, while she still has my vote, I am troubled by Hillary Clinton’s remarks about Trump's supporters, not because of what she first says about the sorts of bigotries coming from many a Trump supporter. We’ve all heard those, and they are manifestly a part of the toxic mix behind the current Trump support.

What really troubles me is the back half of her remarks on some of the bigots supporting Trump: She says “they are irredeemable, but thankfully they are not America”. I wish she had apologized for that part of her remarks, but she never did. No one is irredeemable. Even George Wallace had a change of heart. No one has a right to arbitrarily foreclose on anyone’s having a change of heart. No one has a right to say any human being is irredeemable. To say anyone is irredeemable is to sound as if one has infallible wisdom, as if one is somehow a god. No one has that kind of wisdom. And even if one did have that sort of wisdom, one would then know that anyone like Wallace can certainly be redeemed. If Wallace himself could change, and he did, anyone can.

Not only is it troubling to arbitrarily say that no one can be redeemed, it is also a denial of reality to say “they are not America”. Of course, they are part of America. Sure, they are a bitter and sad part of America, but if one loves America, then one has to accept them as part of America too. If one is running for President, one has to love all of America, even the part that can give one pain and bitter disappointment. I utterly deplore where such supporters seem to be “coming from”. But if I hope to lift up America as President, then I have to hope for some measure of redemption and change of heart even among those Americans whose current feelings can turn my stomach. Despite my being sickened, a degree of compassion can still inspire hope in me that anyone can rise above any bigoted hatreds they have temporarily fallen into this election cycle.

That is the kind of love that one has for one’s own family, after all, and that’s the kind of love I would hope any President would have for this country, even when it’s momentarily riven by bigotries that are painfully hateful. Love of one’s family can sometimes help lift the most bitter of one’s loved ones beyond any hatred that may be dragging her down for a day or a year or more. At the same time, that same love can lift the bitterest places in our country up above the hateful bigotries of the moment. Of course, it’s a bitter hard slog of an assignment. There will be many and bitter disappointments. But if one loves one’s countrymen as a family, one will never give up despite those disappointments. The better angels of our nature are somewhere uniformly buried deep inside each of us. Sometimes we can bring them out. Sometimes not. But we never give up if we want to be President.

Thoughts?

Stein

I should have address this point from the start. Even the Christians have redemption but the sick and evil lefty/liberals are utter scum. Either think like us or you are sexist, racist, misogynistic, homophobic, islamophobic lol, basically you are literally Hitler as apparently trivialising the worse monster in history is OK with lefty/libtards. Their goal is to take away your freedom and liberty along with your free speech, freedom of conscience and freedom of expression. It is all for the 'Greater Good' of course. I'm a atheist but I don't know who is worse at this point, fundamentalist religions or lefty/liberals.

[pErvinalia]

In a sane country I'd more or less agree. But there really are a significant number of knuckle-dragging imbeciles in the US, that even the sane Merkans are embarrassed by. These people are so out on the fringes of socialised behaviour that it's not really going to offend any of the rest of the country if she insults them. She'll offend them, of course, but they would never in a thousand years vote for her anyway. She was careful to say that not all Trump supporters were like these people.

Really, so you don't think this is going to come across as ivory tower elitism? I'm working class and I can tell you now the hatred for the establishment has never been higher for a long time. Whether it is ugh, rednecks/chavs they still have the same number of votes as the snooty elites. Funny thing is you lefty/liberals are the establishment now and the counter culture is us conservatives.

The point you missed is that the racists and sexists and terminally stupid are never going to vote for Clinton anyway. She loses no votes by calling them what they are.

[rainbow]

And what are we to take from this random collection of alpha-numeric characters Rainyday?

Not random, I had an irredeemable coupon once.

[Feck]

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Irreversible ?

[Forty Two]

I think Trump's worth a vote, just to spite the social justice warriors who think that wearing a Trump campaign hat is hate speech.

[Feck]

You wear whatever hat you like , that way at least people will not need be downwind of you to smell the shit .

[Forty Two]

You wear whatever hat you like , that way at least people will not need be downwind of you to smell the shit .

I will wear whatever hat I like, and if some cocksucking social justice douchebag tried to snag it off my head, it would be on the ground with an elbow in its mouth, and later I'd have it arrested.