Hungary's Wall -- Gotta keep them out!

[JimC]

In WW2, many in Hungary were supporters of the Nazis. The subsequent years of Soviet rule left the thinnest veneer of communism; Hungary seems to have shrugged it off, and moved to its traditional place on the right...

[Svartalf]

Which is weird for people so proud of their un Aryan heritage, like claiming the Huns for ancestors (yes, Hungary is one of two countries in the world where 'Attila' is a given name)

[NineBerry]

Fucking Fascist Government

[cronus]

One day soon the zombie plague will start, and I'm moving to Hungary.

[Forty Two]

Well, you suggested that one might consider policy as 'enlightened and eminently reasonable.' I'm waiting for you to explain your thinking, one way or the other.

Is there something wrong with what they're doing?

As you suggested the policy might be 'enlightened and eminently reasonable' you tell me.

Just the assumption that things European must be reasonable and rational, after all, Europeans are smarter, kinder, more compassionate, better educated, and have better taste than Americans. And, we know the "right wing" in Europe is really equivalent to far left Democrats in the US. They don't have, we've been told, American style right-wing politics in enlightened Europe. So, if that's true, then whatever measures being taken in Europe must be from the perspective of, at a bare minimum, left wing Democrat-style politics or even further left politics.

I find it very hard to believe that they would, being members of the European Union in good standing, do anything unreasonable or unfair. Unless, Hungary is not among to the civilized, industrialized nations that do things the right and proper way....

Does the European Union determine your views on the matter - whatever they might be?

No, it's just that I'm told quite often how things are done in the civilized world, meaning Europe and Oz/NZ. For a country whose right wing is basically equivalent to the US left wing Democrats, well, having a wall that is anything other than eminently reasonable under the circumstances seems rather difficult to imagine.

[NineBerry]

Hungary is currently run by genuine racists / fascists. Nothing to hide there.

[Forty Two]

Hungary is currently run by genuine racists / fascists. Nothing to hide there.

Ohhhhhh!!!! Hungary is racist and fascist, to a large enough degree that they run the country. Any other western industrialized/civilized countries also in the same range of racism/fascism as Hungary?

[NineBerry]

Well, Poland is getting very close. Then we have Ukraine where it is not really clear where the government is standing. And Erdogan's Turkey is approaching fascism with speed of light.

[Brian Peacock]

Well, you suggested that one might consider policy as 'enlightened and eminently reasonable.' I'm waiting for you to explain your thinking, one way or the other.

Is there something wrong with what they're doing?

As you suggested the policy might be 'enlightened and eminently reasonable' you tell me.

Just the assumption that things European must be reasonable and rational, after all, Europeans are smarter, kinder, more compassionate, better educated, and have better taste than Americans. And, we know the "right wing" in Europe is really equivalent to far left Democrats in the US. They don't have, we've been told, American style right-wing politics in enlightened Europe. So, if that's true, then whatever measures being taken in Europe must be from the perspective of, at a bare minimum, left wing Democrat-style politics or even further left politics.

Ah, I see. Then the topic under discussion is 'What Americans think Europeans think about Americans'. Would you like me to change the thread title for you?

I find it very hard to believe that they would, being members of the European Union in good standing, do anything unreasonable or unfair. Unless, Hungary is not among to the civilized, industrialized nations that do things the right and proper way....

Does the European Union determine your views on the matter - whatever they might be?

No, it's just that I'm told quite often how things are done in the civilized world, meaning Europe and Oz/NZ. For a country whose right wing is basically equivalent to the US left wing Democrats, well, having a wall that is anything other than eminently reasonable under the circumstances seems rather difficult to imagine.

If Americans consider political organisations like the Democrats to be 'left-wing' then it really does suggest that 'left-wing' is being used in a relative way, in relation to other US political organisations, and not in a strict political-philosophical way. Does anyone really think the Democrats, for example, are really left-wing in the political-philosophical way?

I don't think anyone really thinks the US is not a civilised country, it's just not 'the most civilised country in the world' that many Americans believe it to be.

[Forty Two]

Well, you suggested that one might consider policy as 'enlightened and eminently reasonable.' I'm waiting for you to explain your thinking, one way or the other.

Is there something wrong with what they're doing?

As you suggested the policy might be 'enlightened and eminently reasonable' you tell me.

Just the assumption that things European must be reasonable and rational, after all, Europeans are smarter, kinder, more compassionate, better educated, and have better taste than Americans. And, we know the "right wing" in Europe is really equivalent to far left Democrats in the US. They don't have, we've been told, American style right-wing politics in enlightened Europe. So, if that's true, then whatever measures being taken in Europe must be from the perspective of, at a bare minimum, left wing Democrat-style politics or even further left politics.

Ah, I see. Then the topic under discussion is 'What Americans think Europeans think about Americans'. Would you like me to change the thread title for you?

Not exactly. It's more like what Americans are told by Europeans, and applying that to the issue of walls to keep people out.

What do you think of Hungary's wall?

I find it very hard to believe that they would, being members of the European Union in good standing, do anything unreasonable or unfair. Unless, Hungary is not among to the civilized, industrialized nations that do things the right and proper way....

Does the European Union determine your views on the matter - whatever they might be?

No, it's just that I'm told quite often how things are done in the civilized world, meaning Europe and Oz/NZ. For a country whose right wing is basically equivalent to the US left wing Democrats, well, having a wall that is anything other than eminently reasonable under the circumstances seems rather difficult to imagine.

If Americans consider political organisations like the Democrats to be 'left-wing' then it really does suggest that 'left-wing' is being used in a relative way, in relation to other US political organisations, and not in a strict political-philosophical way. Does anyone really think the Democrats, for example, are really left-wing in the political-philosophical way?

I don't think anyone really thinks the US is not a civilised country, it's just not 'the most civilised country in the world' that many Americans believe it to be.

In other discussions, it's said quite often.

Americans tend not to say that we're the most civilized country in the world. There is a faction which declares that the US is the best country in the world, which is a very subjective viewpoint. Europeans, on the other hand, tend to claim a certain superiority, declaring Americans to be stupid, uneducated, ultra-right-wing, etc., and that everything in the US is sub-par compared to European equivalents - food, culture, customs, political system, etc.

[NineBerry]

They are usually talking about the Netherlands, not Hungary.

[Forty Two]

The Netherregions are so superior, they can correctly pronounce Hungary's name in Hungarian... The Dutch speak Hungarian even better than Hungarians.

[DaveDodo007]

You are wasting your time on this hypocritical site as it is full of shit. Feminism, feminism and women's equal rights, sexism and misogyny. Ho you are Islam, we are sorry for offending you carry on treating women as chattel as we wouldn't want to offend you. We our a bunch of cowardly pieces of shit and fill our pants when faced with real sexism and misogyny, you muslims carry on. We are just going to complain about made up social constructs like the wage gap, manspreading and mansplains. We are too piss scared to point out a real rape culture were women get stoned to death for being raped. We are lefty/liberals cucks so feel free to come to our country and rape and sexually asault our women sorry I mean cultural enriched our women folk. You sad fucks, you pathetic cucks, your children will hate you for ever for the cowards you are. Ho and you are self loathing gimps as I wouldn't want you to forget that. Cunts.

[Animavore]

Not exactly. It's more like what Americans are told by Europeans, and applying that to the issue of walls to keep people out.

Not really. European countries are more ancient and have more defined cultures and languages they might want to protect. I think they have a far stronger case than some white immigrants in a country they obtained through spurious means while destroying the cultures and languages already in place telling other immigrants they can't come in because they don't agree with "American culture", whatever that even is, or because they're from the wrong continent, or wrong religion, while hypocritically claiming to be the land of the free and that they have a separation of church and state.

I'm not saying I agree with Hungary, but they are a specific culture with a unique language and definitely have a stronger case than the mish-mash, ill-defined, melting pot of immigration that is the US of A. As well as a stronger case than some colonialist, European countries like the Netherlands, Great Britain, France, Portugal and Spain, who really don't have much of a case to whine about members of their former colonies following them home after they upped and left them in ruins.

[rainbow]

You are wasting your time on this hypocritical site as it is full of shit. Feminism, feminism and women's equal rights, sexism and misogyny. Ho you are Islam, we are sorry for offending you carry on treating women as chattel as we wouldn't want to offend you. We our a bunch of cowardly pieces of shit and fill our pants when faced with real sexism and misogyny, you muslims carry on. We are just going to complain about made up social constructs like the wage gap, manspreading and mansplains. We are too piss scared to point out a real rape culture were women get stoned to death for being raped. We are lefty/liberals cucks so feel free to come to our country and rape and sexually asault our women sorry I mean cultural enriched our women folk. You sad fucks, you pathetic cucks, your children will hate you for ever for the cowards you are. Ho and you are self loathing gimps as I wouldn't want you to forget that. Cunts.

Diddums.

Has the missus stopped putting out since you failed to clean the kitchen floor properly?