The Hillary-thread

[Tyrannical]

Ha ha the Obama broke it card. Almost as popular as the Nazi card these days.

Who encouraged that dangerous arab spring as well as armed terrorist aligned rebel groups? Hillary and Obama.

[Tero]

Arab Spring has roots in Muslim Brotherhood
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_ ... d_in_Egypt


and goes way back but for our purposes falls in the Bush era.

Slate:
According to Abrams, it all went to hell when Barack Obama abandoned "this mind-set."

In fact, though, it all went to hell just a few months after those dramatic speeches, and it did so for two reasons. First, the worldwide march to freedom was a bit of an illusion to begin with (as subsequent events in Lebanon, Iraq, and Ukraine have revealed). Second, and more to the point, Bush failed to follow through on his words, failed to support in any meaningful way the nascent democratic movements that he celebrated—and he failed to do this because he failed to understand what democracy is all about.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_ ... right.html

You lose, thanks for playing.

[Tyrannical]

It went to hell when hillary had the US start arming the wrong rebel groups.....

[Scot Dutchy]

That started in Afghanistan when the Soviets were there trying to take over. America supplied arms to the Taliban and opened Pandora's box.

[rainbow]

Ha ha the Obama broke it card. Almost as popular as the Nazi card these days.

Who encouraged that dangerous arab spring as well as armed terrorist aligned rebel groups?

This was part of the Cheney/Bush propaganda line:

“The establishment of a free Iraq at the heart of the Middle East will be a watershed event in the global democratic revolution.”

(GW Bush, November 2003)

You don't remember this?

[Scot Dutchy]

By then though it was all too late the genie was out of the bottle.

[Svartalf]

Well, toppling Saddam sure made things unspeakably worse.

[Tyrannical]

Keep telling yourself it went back to 2003.....
Isis ran rampant in Syria causing the biggest refugee crisis since WWII because hillary was shipping arms to radical Islamist rebels trying to over throw Assad. Just wait until she tries the same thing in the Ukraine.

Toppling Sadam made things worse? Yup, it did. So what idiot thought toppling Libya, Egypt, and Syria would make things better? If it wasn't for the Egyptian army over throwing the democratically elected muslim brotherhood government who knows how bad things would be?

[rainbow]

Keep telling yourself it went back to 2003.....
Isis ran rampant in Syria causing the biggest refugee crisis since WWII because hillary was shipping arms to radical Islamist rebels trying to over throw Assad. Just wait until she tries the same thing in the Ukraine.

Toppling Sadam made things worse? Yup, it did. So what idiot thought toppling Libya, Egypt, and Syria would make things better?

Rumsfeld for one:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/wat ... and-syria/

Are you sure you don't have Alzheimer's?

[Tyrannical]

Keep telling yourself it went back to 2003.....
Isis ran rampant in Syria causing the biggest refugee crisis since WWII because hillary was shipping arms to radical Islamist rebels trying to over throw Assad. Just wait until she tries the same thing in the Ukraine.

Toppling Sadam made things worse? Yup, it did. So what idiot thought toppling Libya, Egypt, and Syria would make things better?

Rumsfeld for one:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/wat ... and-syria/

Are you sure you don't have Alzheimer's?

So, is hillary just another rumsfield, or even worse?

[pErvinalia]

Wolfowitz is voting for her.

[Forty Two]

That started in Afghanistan when the Soviets were there trying to take over. America supplied arms to the Taliban and opened Pandora's box.

You mean, in 1979-80, after the Soviet Union invaded and annexed a member of the United Nations in good standing, it was wrong to provide support to the forces within that member nation which were trying to throw off the invaders? Chapter VII of the UN Charter, and articles 42 and 51, are generally applied such that if one member nation invades another member nation as an act of aggression -- like, invading to take over territory, but not in self-defense -- then it's the duty of other member nations to come to fight against that aggression.

But, yeah, rather than pointing to the Soviet Union and suggesting that they opened Pandora's box, by invading Afghanistan in the first place, requiring other nations to work against that invasion and support the resistance movements -- blame the US for honoring its international commitments and defending an innocent nation against Soviet aggression.

Makes sense. Probably superior "Dutch sense"....

[Forty Two]

Well, toppling Saddam sure made things unspeakably worse.

LOL - only if you ignore the way things were under Saddam's dictatorship, with hundreds of thousands of political killings, rape being used as a means of punishment and torture, torture in general being a tool of the state against its opponents, the invasion and horrors committed against Kuwait and the Kuwaiti people, the slaughter of the Kurds, the slaughter of the Marsh Arabs, etc. etc.

The 2002 European Union sponsored UN resolution put it bluntly -- citing "systematic, widespread and extremely grave violations of human rights and international humanitarian law". The resolution demanded that Iraq immediately put an end to its "summary and arbitrary executions... and the use of rape as a political tool and all enforced and involuntary disappearances." Remember that political participation at the national level was restricted only to members of the Ba'ath Party, which constituted only 8% of the population. Everyone else was disenfranchised. Iraqi citizens were not legally allowed to assemble unless it was to express support for the government. The Iraqi government controlled the establishment of political parties, regulated their internal affairs and monitored their activities. State permission was required to travel INTERNALLY between cities and political subdivisions in the nation - expensive exit visas prevented travel abroad, and overseas travelers had to post collateral to secure their return -- females could only travel abroad with an escort. Use of poison gas on citizens and mass extermination of the Kurds (according to Human Rights Watch). Severe criminal penalties - amputation, branding and the death penalty for criminal offenses such as theft, corruption, currency speculation and military desertion. Sodomy was a death penalty offense.



See "Republic of Fear" (1998) https://www.amazon.com/Republic-Fear-Po ... 0520214390

[Forty Two]

Wolfowitz is voting for her.

All the neocons are. She's with them. If you like neocons, vote Hillary Clinton.

[rainbow]

Keep telling yourself it went back to 2003.....
Isis ran rampant in Syria causing the biggest refugee crisis since WWII because hillary was shipping arms to radical Islamist rebels trying to over throw Assad. Just wait until she tries the same thing in the Ukraine.

Toppling Sadam made things worse? Yup, it did. So what idiot thought toppling Libya, Egypt, and Syria would make things better?

Rumsfeld for one:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/wat ... and-syria/

Are you sure you don't have Alzheimer's?

So, is hillary just another rumsfield, or even worse?

Not only is your memory bad, but your logical powers are slipping.

You might seek some professional help on that.