JimC wrote:You've either missed my point, or have little knowledge of the groups I am talking about.Seth wrote:
"Muslim" isn't a race, or had that simple fact escaped you? Therefore being anti-Muslim cannot be "racist."
Well, you provided no context for claiming that some unidentified group of "racists" was attacking Muslims, so it's a perfectly rational response to point out the disliking Muslims is not "racist" because Muslims are not a "race." If you don't want to be misunderstood, express yourself more carefully.Of course it is possible to detest Islam (and more so than other religions, at that) without being a racist. However, the various groups in Oz are very definitely racist, and have used the anti-Islam banner to increase membership, as clearly many people are concerned about potential terrorism.
Or is it that they detest ILLEGAL immigration but that it happens to be geographically the case that all illegal immigrants happen to be non-white? I detest illegal immigration too, and I don't give a damn what race, creed, color or religion they are, but the vast majority of them happen to be Mexicans (who are Mexicans because they are citizens of Mexico) and other South Americans who share the same general genetic heritage. That doesn't make me a racist because if blonde Scandinavian women six feet tall and willowy cross our border without authorization I'd kick their asses right back to Oslo just as quickly.However, it is abundantly clear from reported comments that the leadership of this group simply detest the idea of non-white immigration into Oz.
I can't judge this unidentified group you speak of because, well, it's unidentified and your claims are unsupported.
You mean the leftist racists who hate anybody who is NOT an ethnic minority or a Leftist?The left groups that oppose them...
...But turn a blind eye towards their own racism and bigotry......(and are involved in violent clashes with them in demonstrations, with faults being on both sides) correctly oppose their racism,...
Indeed. Leftists operate under the "the enemy of my enemy is my tool of Marxist propaganda" theory that, like many folks here, cause them to revile and castigate anyone who demonstrates dislike for any identifiable group (except of course other leftists) because the left is about identity politics and that is how they single out their enemies for propagandistic attacks. Lefties don't care who they defend so long as they are opposing those they hate in some way. By siding with Muslims or "brown people" or "undocumented immigrants" against those who quite reasonably and rationally don't like either Muslims or illegal aliens flooding their country, leftists create the identity politics divide by which they hope to bring the "disenfranchised" groups into the Marxist fold as useful idiots in the leftist quest for Marxist domination of the planet.but have at the same time tended to say that any criticism of Islam, or pointing out that Islam is currently the main religion that fosters terrorist attacks, is itself racist, which you would agree is absurd.
Of course, like Hillary and every other leftist they don't actually give a fuck what happens to the minorities once they gain entry, so long as they pander to the minorities just long enough to get them to vote leftist. After that they are abandoned completely because they have served their purpose.
So, before I'll agree that this vaporous group you speak of is "racist" I'd have to see credible evidence that their positions are actually based on the proposition that their race is superior, and that the people they oppose are inferior, as a matter of the respective races involved rather than it being a political and social disagreement that has been (and typically is) twisted into a false claim of "racism" merely because the group under leftist attack happens to be of a different race than those they are demonstrating against.
We see this sort of bald-faced lie in the press here all the time when Trump is accused of being "racist" towards Mexicans and/or Hispanics/Latinos. He's not. He's actually quite popular with Latino American citizens. He's pretty unpopular with Mexicans and Guatemalans and Bolivians and other Latino citizens of other nations who want to enter the United States illegally and don't like the idea of a wall on our border that prevents them from doing so, and he's unpopular with the 15 million illegal aliens who already snuck in who Trump is willing to deport, but fuck them, they aren't US citizens so they don't have any right to be here or to vote on the matter.
And none of them have any right to demand that they be accepted into the United States. The Supreme Court ruled long, long ago that Congress has plenary power to exclude anyone from immigrating here, for any reason at all, INCLUDING because of their race, creed, religion, sex, sexual orientation, age or anything else Congress decides is appropriate in barring foreigners entry and/or residency in the US.
Yes, that means that we can discriminate, profile, exclude and deport as we please because aliens have no right to become citizens without our permission.
And when Trump says "ban Muslims" he means "ban Muslim immigration until systems can be put into place and validated that ensure that any Muslim welcomed to the US is not a terrorist or terrorist sympathizer and that the person will assimilate into our culture peacefully and will give up any and all allegiance to the Islamic state, the Caliphate, Sharia law and any other anti-American allegiances and swear allegiance to, and only to the United States of America.
If any wannabe immigrant is not willing to give up any and all allegiances to foreign powers, potentates or ideologies and be loyal only to the United States, then they are not welcome here and I don't give a damn what their religious beliefs are or if they want to cling to them. They can cling to them where they come from, but they can't come here.
You see, we have a perfect sovereign right to set conditions for aliens wishing to immigrate here. So does every nation.
