Those crazy Muslim bastards did it again

[pErvinalia]

Religions and certain types of political movements have some important details in common, and yet they also important differences. One cannot understand the differences without analysing the supernatural belief systems inherent in religions. Analysing them does not mean accepting their delusional premises...

Drivel. Both are ideologies, religion simply uses the belief in the supernatural to justify itself.

What are you babbling about? A concept has no "itself". Religion is the sum total of its followers. They justify it by the act of aligning-to/following it.

Religion isn't a concept, but an organization.

Which itself is a concept. I.e. a concept can't sentiently act, like you are wibbling. Again, religion is justified by its followers. The vast majority of whom believe in a god or gods. Ergo, religion is clearly about god, despite your silly assertion to the contrary.

[pErvinalia]

Irrational belief. That's a BIG "what else".

You underrate the value of irrational belief and overrate the value of rigid rational belief in terms of human happiness.

In other words, what the fuck is so great about Atheism that anybody would even want to believe in it? Absofuckinglutely nothing, that's what. Most Atheists are some of the most evil, cruel, uncaring, selfish, self-righteous, miserable bastards I've ever had the displeasure to have met. On the other hand, the vast majority of Christians I know, and I know many, are the most kind, caring, loving, peaceable, humble and tolerant people I've ever met.

So do tell us, whatever the fuck you call yourself today, just exactly what is so great about Atheism and why anybody should do anything other than shake their heads in sorrow and pity at the empty nihilism of atheistic lives? You love to bitch and complain and demean and insult other people, but never once have I heard a cogent, compelling argument as to why your system of religious belief (and that's exactly what it is) is so superior to every other system of religious belief. Care to give it a go?

I don't know what an Atheist is. I'm an atheist.

And given you still run with the charade that you are an atheist and not a Christian, I'm sure you can answer the questions in your last paragraph, as they apply equally to you as well as the rest of us.

[Hermit]

...anyone who terrorizes, harms or kills anyone else is not a Christian, by definition, because Christ never, ever commanded his followers to harm anyone.

But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. - Luke 19:27

Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death. - Mark 7:5

Like I said, dispense with the quote-mining cherry picking that mendaciously and deliberately misunderstands the context and history of Christianity.

LOL.

1 These are the statutes and judgments, which ye shall observe to do in the land, which the Lord God of thy fathers giveth thee to possess it, all the days that ye live upon the earth. 2 Ye shall utterly destroy all the places, wherein the nations which ye shall possess served their gods, upon the high mountains, and upon the hills, and under every green tree: 3 And ye shall overthrow their altars, and break their pillars, and burn their groves with fire; and ye shall hew down the graven images of their gods, and destroy the names of them out of that place. - Deuteronomy 12:1-3 There's your context for Luke 19:27

Old Testament =/= New Testament.

Let me know when the OT has been excised from the Bible and removed from the pulpits of Christian churches.

[Hermit]

Is it to be an eye for an eye (Leviticus 24:19–21) or turning the other cheek (Matthew 5:38-39). Interpretation is unavoidable, even for those who are serious when they say that they accept every word of whatever holy book they subscribe to as the literal truth.

Old vs. New Testament fallacy. Mendaciously conflating the two is a favorite bit of intellectual dishonesty of Atheist religious zealots.

It's the Bible, man. No conflation necessary until the OT has been excised from it and removed from the pulpits of Christian churches. Mendacity and intellectual dishonesty is absent.

[pErvinalia]

But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. - Luke 19:27

Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death. - Mark 7:5

Like I said, dispense with the quote-mining cherry picking that mendaciously and deliberately misunderstands the context and history of Christianity.

LOL.

1 These are the statutes and judgments, which ye shall observe to do in the land, which the Lord God of thy fathers giveth thee to possess it, all the days that ye live upon the earth. 2 Ye shall utterly destroy all the places, wherein the nations which ye shall possess served their gods, upon the high mountains, and upon the hills, and under every green tree: 3 And ye shall overthrow their altars, and break their pillars, and burn their groves with fire; and ye shall hew down the graven images of their gods, and destroy the names of them out of that place. - Deuteronomy 12:1-3 There's your context for Luke 19:27

Old Testament =/= New Testament.

Let me know when the OT has been excised from the Bible and removed from the pulpits of Christian churches.

Pulpit-Excisement Fallacy.

[Feck]

"You are claiming there is something inherently wrong with Islam when compared to Christianity. "
Actually if you are going to compare personality cults There is little to compare "let him who is without sin cast the first stone" VS "Torture him until you extract what he has,"
The Massive problem is that nobody wants to talk about islam There is a huge fucking elephant in the room . Atheists, skeptics, free-thinkers , (pick your own label, mine is raging anti-theist) are terrified of actually talking about what Islam is about, blinkered to what islams holy books actually say .There is more chatter from "Atheists" about a nativity on a courthouse lawn in Hicksville USA than rational informed comment about Islam .
Islam MEANS submission I guess you got told " islam means peace" PLEASE try fact checking Read "the life of the prophet " or Bukhari or "Muslim" .
There are roughly 1.7 billion victims of this horrible cult "A"theists have failed them ALL! you choose to debate only the most xenophobic fallacious arguments from Terrified right-wingers claiming that, since you defeat the strawman " all muslims are terrorists" That all is rosy with Islam. Islam is an evil cult, root and branch !

[pErvinalia]

Islam means submission? Sounds EXACTLY like what ALL religions mean.

[Feck]

Islam means submission? Sounds EXACTLY what ALL religions mean.

Yes obviously ! but say "Christianity sucks" and you are right on track with mainstream atheism say "Islam is an evil cult based on the life of a murderous child molester and his gang of slave-trading rapists" and atheists walk away Talk about Jebus vs Mohammed the basis for the two cults and the universal reaction is to find the shit in the OT ignoring that the violence in the OT was NOT taught or acted upon by the Christ character but the violence in Islam is all contemporary to one central character .Most of the rape, torture, child- abuse, theft ,lying, breaking of treaties and genocide in Islam are direct orders from Mohammed( or his own much glorified actions) and carried out by his personal companions who ,according to Islam are "The Best of Men."
I will repeat it again and again until someone sodding listens! Stop fucking believing the glossy brochure for Islam and read what their holy books actually SAY ! READ about the life of Mohammed from Islam's most accepted sources or just keep telling me that Islam means peace and that Islam respects women or whatever FUCKING LIES YOU HAVE SUCKED UP WHILE TRYING SO SODDING HARD NOT TO OFFEND.

[Strontium Dog]

Is it to be an eye for an eye (Leviticus 24:19–21) or turning the other cheek (Matthew 5:38-39). Interpretation is unavoidable, even for those who are serious when they say that they accept every word of whatever holy book they subscribe to as the literal truth.

Old vs. New Testament fallacy. Mendaciously conflating the two is a favorite bit of intellectual dishonesty of Atheist religious zealots.

It's the Bible, man. No conflation necessary until the OT has been excised from it and removed from the pulpits of Christian churches. Mendacity and intellectual dishonesty is absent.

Of course, you can never split the OT and NT, because the NT is meaningless without the OT. The OT prophesies a Messiah, and the NT is all about the claimed fulfilment of that prophesy. The Old Testament is the pack of cards upon which the entirety of New Testament Christianity is built. Without the Old Testament, Jesus is just an angry Jew in a bathrobe.

[Hermit]

Islam is a disgusting, cruel, brutal and reprehensible religious doctrine. Just like Christianity and quite possibly even more so. Pussyfooting around the issue is not limited to left wingers. A bucket full of nations have blasphemy legislation that is applied to both religions with equal generosity. Mind you, I'd like to see the same official resistance to issuing permits for building new churches as is exercised when it comes to new mosques. And, yeah, their tax-free status is a tad irksome as well.

[Hermit]

Is it to be an eye for an eye (Leviticus 24:19–21) or turning the other cheek (Matthew 5:38-39). Interpretation is unavoidable, even for those who are serious when they say that they accept every word of whatever holy book they subscribe to as the literal truth.

Old vs. New Testament fallacy. Mendaciously conflating the two is a favorite bit of intellectual dishonesty of Atheist religious zealots.

It's the Bible, man. No conflation necessary until the OT has been excised from it and removed from the pulpits of Christian churches. Mendacity and intellectual dishonesty is absent.

Of course, you can never split the OT and NT, because the NT is meaningless without the OT. The OT prophesies a Messiah, and the NT is all about the claimed fulfilment of that prophesy. The Old Testament is the pack of cards upon which the entirety of New Testament Christianity is built. Without the Old Testament, Jesus is just an angry Jew in a bathrobe.

Besides, there's the matter of what the alleged son of god allegedly said about the OT: Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. - Matthew 5:17-18

The standard copout is to claim that all is fulfilled with the crucifixion. It kind of ignores an unfulfilled prophesy: The second coming. That's when "all these things be fulfilled." It's in Matthew 24:1-34, but of course it's ignored by those who want to believe that the old covenant has expired already and Christians no longer need to feel compelled to stone people to death because they ate prawns, gave lip to their parents, got raped in a village other than the one they live in, wore rayments of two different types of cloth et cetera. Of course not all laws have been annulled. The ten commandment, for example. Christians are still prohibited to have gods besides the jealous one. Nobody has explained yet how we are supposed to know which laws are redundant and which remain current.

[Seth]

Religions and certain types of political movements have some important details in common, and yet they also important differences. One cannot understand the differences without analysing the supernatural belief systems inherent in religions. Analysing them does not mean accepting their delusional premises...

Drivel. Both are ideologies, religion simply uses the belief in the supernatural to justify itself.

What are you babbling about? A concept has no "itself". Religion is the sum total of its followers. They justify it by the act of aligning-to/following it.

Religion isn't a concept, but an organization.

Which itself is a concept. I.e. a concept can't sentiently act, like you are wibbling. Again, religion is justified by its followers. The vast majority of whom believe in a god or gods. Ergo, religion is clearly about god, despite your silly assertion to the contrary.

Wrong again. Religion is about HOW you practice what you believe. Theism (or Atheism) is about WHAT your beliefs are. As anyone with a lick of actual knowledge knows there are many non-theistic "godless" religions, including Atheism, which is the quintessential godless religion.

[Seth]

Irrational belief. That's a BIG "what else".

You underrate the value of irrational belief and overrate the value of rigid rational belief in terms of human happiness.

In other words, what the fuck is so great about Atheism that anybody would even want to believe in it? Absofuckinglutely nothing, that's what. Most Atheists are some of the most evil, cruel, uncaring, selfish, self-righteous, miserable bastards I've ever had the displeasure to have met. On the other hand, the vast majority of Christians I know, and I know many, are the most kind, caring, loving, peaceable, humble and tolerant people I've ever met.

So do tell us, whatever the fuck you call yourself today, just exactly what is so great about Atheism and why anybody should do anything other than shake their heads in sorrow and pity at the empty nihilism of atheistic lives? You love to bitch and complain and demean and insult other people, but never once have I heard a cogent, compelling argument as to why your system of religious belief (and that's exactly what it is) is so superior to every other system of religious belief. Care to give it a go?

I don't know what an Atheist is.

Look in a mirror and you'll see an Atheist. Your faith in the tenets of Atheism are as dogmatic and irrational as those of any theist you might decide to disparage.

I'm an atheist.

No, you're an Atheist, which is to say you are a religious believer in Atheism, which is a religion with a central tenet that commands believers to bash other people's religions without (and deliberately so) knowing a fucking thing about their beliefs or about the individuals being maligned.

And given you still run with the charade that you are an atheist and not a Christian, I'm sure you can answer the questions in your last paragraph, as they apply equally to you as well as the rest of us.

But I'm neither an Atheist nor a Christian, I'm a non-theistic Tolerist™. You mistake education about and knowledge of Christianity for belief, a common mistake of yours.

[Rum]

Utter nonsense. Religion is about what supernatural world and moral view you hold nearly always with a deity in charge - irrespective of what you practice - the Spanish Inquisition??

Theism is just a woolly place holder for a deity people can't quite picture. And atheism, for fuck's sake is a neutral position taken in the absence of evidence for a supernatural explanation.

[Seth]

Let me know when the OT has been excised from the Bible and removed from the pulpits of Christian churches.

Not my job. My job is to point our your rational and logical errors and deliberate Atheist mendacity.