Those crazy Muslim bastards did it again

[Galaxian]

Of course there is no such moral equivalency, and even if there were, we don't see Christians blowing people up with suicide bombs or driving trucks through crowds of people to kill them, we see Muslims doing that. The argument you make is that because those professing to be Christians sometime in the past engaged in evil acts (a Wayback Machine Fallacy to begin with) this somehow makes Christians today morally equivalent to Muslims today and that for some idiotic reason that defies logic and understanding, you believe that bashing Christians makes Islamic jihad acceptable because, well, "Christians were bad too..."

The dictionary describes you as a "bigot": someone who blindly or obstinately has a point of view that no amount of evidence or reasoning will change. In other words you're not interested in acquiring knowledge. You're only committed to purveying ignorance & stupidity. Why? I don't know & frankly don't care. It would be akin to having a debate with as ass. At the end of it all, you get a plop of manure on the ground, a jet of piss, and a braying "Eee Aww" sound.
Now, incase you think that is an adhom... it is not, it is a factual description of your level of discourse.

Here; I'll drop you one lifeline, and only one. Best make good use of it to clear the fog out of your 'brain' about who has killed more people since WW2, and who has been in perpetual war as long as the nation has existed (and that's not ancient history):

http://www.globalresearch.ca/us-has-kil ... ii/5492051

And the millions mentioned don't even include accessory to murder by precipitating coup d'etat, collapsing countries via sanctions, bribed politicians & agent provocateurs, destroying their infrastructure so that millions die due to lack of services, hunger & thirst, and so forth.

But bigots are not amenable to reason. They line the streets and yell "USA! USA! USA!". They're entranced by the death of a few compatriots by isolated, low level violent events, but totally ignore the thousands upon thousands that they've massacred on an accumulated daily basis.

Here's how many years the United States of America has been at war since 1776:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.inf ... e41086.htm

Now, if you have a fraction of the balls you claim to have you will read the above two links & THINK!

[Seth]

Of course there is no such moral equivalency, and even if there were, we don't see Christians blowing people up with suicide bombs or driving trucks through crowds of people to kill them, we see Muslims doing that. The argument you make is that because those professing to be Christians sometime in the past engaged in evil acts (a Wayback Machine Fallacy to begin with) this somehow makes Christians today morally equivalent to Muslims today and that for some idiotic reason that defies logic and understanding, you believe that bashing Christians makes Islamic jihad acceptable because, well, "Christians were bad too..."

The dictionary describes you as a "bigot": someone who blindly or obstinately has a point of view that no amount of evidence or reasoning will change.

Personal attack noted.

It's not bigotry to dismiss wild paranoid conspiracy-theory and mendacious group-based attacks on people as being wildly paranoid bigotry and hate speech. It's what any rational person would do.

In other words you're not interested in acquiring knowledge.

I've read your stuff and have determined that the only knowledge to be acquired from it is, well, nothing.

You're only committed to purveying ignorance & stupidity.

You must be posting to one of those little voices in your head because you're certainly not addressing me.

Why? I don't know & frankly don't care. It would be akin to having a debate with as ass.

Your expertise at recognizing your arguments are asinine is one of your few merits.

At the end of it all, you get a plop of manure on the ground, a jet of piss, and a braying "Eee Aww" sound.

You have a lot of experience in shoveling horseshit.

Now, incase you think that is an adhom... it is not, it is a factual description of your level of discourse.

Of course it's an ad hom, and a personal attack and a violation of the FUA

Here; I'll drop you one lifeline, and only one.

Wading through your pools of crap is unpleasant but I'm in no need of a lifeline, thanks.

[Giant reeking pool of festering feces and rotting brain matter elided in the interests of public sanitation]

[rainbow]

Amplify your cryptic remarks, if you will.

Personally, I don't see a single "true purpose" for religions, rather an accretion of a witch's brew of purposes over the millennia...

Religions exist for a political purpose. They have nothing to do God, but are there to control people.

They think they have something to do with supernatural being(s), but as we all know, such beings don't exist.

Irrelevant. The existence of God/s is unnecessary for the existence of religions, and religions are unnecessary for the existence of God/s.

However, much of the inner structure of religions can only be analysed in terms of that mistaken belief.

Nope. They can only be analysed in terms of their political influence. Until this is understood there is no chance that ISIS can be countered.

And yes, aspects of social control are one of the main functions of religion, but saying that is insufficient for a true understanding of their nature.

Wrong. That is all we need to know to understand their nature. What else is there?

[DaveDodo007]

If they want to claim that they are part of the overall christian faith, then I think they should. Again, not to do so means that they, as self-styled christians, are complicit.

Except that anyone who terrorizes, harms or kills anyone else is not a Christian, by definition, because Christ never, ever commanded his followers to harm anyone.

But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. - Luke 19:27

Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death. - Mark 7:5

Like I said, dispense with the quote-mining cherry picking that mendaciously and deliberately misunderstands the context and history of Christianity.

So religious texts are open to reinterpretation? It a shame Muslim texts can't be reinterpreted like Christian ones... Oh wait...

Oh do fuck off, the Bible is known to be inspired by god and therefore open to interpretation. The peado goat fuckers on the other hand, well archangel gabriel spoke to mohammed directly and therefore the Qur'an is the direct word of allah. You already know this and it is your lefty ideology causing your cognitive dissonance. I swear that lefty/liberals would rather live under a caliphate than admit that conservatives were right about something.

[DaveDodo007]

Personal attack noted.

Give it up Seth as you can't insult anybody on the right because 'social construct' reasons. Even though we are dealing with the biggest retarded lefty/liberal cuck mongs on the planet. You are still not allowed to call them on their stupidity, it is this kind of idiotic censorship that will herald the new far right governments all over Europe. Jesus fucking Christ who is going to stop Le Pen winning in France next year if the current administration says they should get used to getting slaughtered on a monthly basis, no wonder he was booed in Nice yesterday. I hate fascism as much as the next sane person but the regressive left seem determined to sweep them to power what with them being cloth eared to the max.

[Seth]

Irrelevant. The existence of God/s is unnecessary for the existence of religions, and religions are unnecessary for the existence of God/s.

Both are true, but neither says anything at all about the existence or non-existence of God.

However, much of the inner structure of religions can only be analysed in terms of that mistaken belief.

Nope. They can only be analysed in terms of their political influence. Until this is understood there is no chance that ISIS can be countered.

This is true. This is why I now categorize Islam not as a religion at all, but as a sociopolitical movement, and as a sociopolitical movement it can be controlled and/or extirpated if necessary.

[Tero]

Quit buying the Muslim oil. We don't need it. Let them sell it to the Chinese, then terrorise them.

[pErvinalia]

Christians have used words from their scriptures to justify violence and oppression, just like muslims.

Indeed, but the point is that those words don't call for violence and oppression, the faux-Christians have to rationalize their way to that end. The Koran is quite explicit in its commandments to kill and oppress infidels. Big difference.

The fact that it is rare now (unlike the Islamic world) is not because christianity can take the high moral ground,

Of course it can, not that anyone but you is arguing here that Christianity is attempting to "take the high moral ground." I'm merely pointing out the gross fallacy of excusing present Muslim evil by pointing to long-past evil done by those claiming to be Christians.

but because centuries of secularisation have pulled their teeth, a process which has not occurred to nearly the same extent in the islamic world.

So why are you defending Islam by attacking Christians?

Use your brain. You are claiming there is something inherently wrong with Islam when compared to Christianity. Jim is pointing out the fact that both have violent abhorrent passages in their religious texts, and the fact that Christianity was pulled into line via secularism means that calls to outright ban muslims or Islam are irrational.

[pErvinalia]

It would be akin to having a debate with as ass. At the end of it all, you get a plop of manure on the ground, a jet of piss, and a braying "Eee Aww" sound.

New addition to my signature!

[pErvinalia]

Amplify your cryptic remarks, if you will.

Personally, I don't see a single "true purpose" for religions, rather an accretion of a witch's brew of purposes over the millennia...

Religions exist for a political purpose. They have nothing to do God, but are there to control people.

They think they have something to do with supernatural being(s), but as we all know, such beings don't exist.

Irrelevant. The existence of God/s is unnecessary for the existence of religions, and religions are unnecessary for the existence of God/s.

He wasn't talking about God existing. All that matters is that the followers of religions (i.e. the people who enable religions) believe that God exists. Without those God-believing followers, religion wouldn't exist. Hence why it's silly to say that religions "have nothing to do with God".

And yes, aspects of social control are one of the main functions of religion, but saying that is insufficient for a true understanding of their nature.

Wrong. That is all we need to know to understand their nature. What else is there?

Irrational belief. That's a BIG "what else".

[pErvinalia]

Except that anyone who terrorizes, harms or kills anyone else is not a Christian, by definition, because Christ never, ever commanded his followers to harm anyone.

But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. - Luke 19:27

Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death. - Mark 7:5

Like I said, dispense with the quote-mining cherry picking that mendaciously and deliberately misunderstands the context and history of Christianity.

So religious texts are open to reinterpretation? It a shame Muslim texts can't be reinterpreted like Christian ones... Oh wait...

Oh do fuck off, the Bible is known to be inspired by god and therefore open to interpretation.

Oh please show us the evidence that you "know" God exists, let alone inspired anything.

The peado goat fuckers on the other hand, well archangel gabriel spoke to mohammed directly and therefore the Qur'an is the direct word of allah. You already know this..

I'll tell you what I know - it's almost certain that God/Allah doesn't exist. What the fuck are you even doing at an atheist forum?

[pErvinalia]

Personal attack noted.

Give it up Seth as you can't insult anybody on the right because 'social construct' reasons. Even though we are dealing with the biggest retarded lefty/liberal cuck mongs on the planet. You are still not allowed to call them on their stupidity, it is this kind of idiotic censorship that will herald the new far right governments all over Europe. Jesus fucking Christ who is going to stop Le Pen winning in France next year if the current administration says they should get used to getting slaughtered on a monthly basis, no wonder he was booed in Nice yesterday. I hate fascism as much as the next sane person but the regressive left seem determined to sweep them to power what with them being cloth eared to the max.

Put the bottle down and step away from the computer...

[Hermit]

If they want to claim that they are part of the overall christian faith, then I think they should. Again, not to do so means that they, as self-styled christians, are complicit.

Except that anyone who terrorizes, harms or kills anyone else is not a Christian, by definition, because Christ never, ever commanded his followers to harm anyone.

But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. - Luke 19:27

Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death. - Mark 7:5

Like I said, dispense with the quote-mining cherry picking that mendaciously and deliberately misunderstands the context and history of Christianity.

LOL.

1 These are the statutes and judgments, which ye shall observe to do in the land, which the Lord God of thy fathers giveth thee to possess it, all the days that ye live upon the earth. 2 Ye shall utterly destroy all the places, wherein the nations which ye shall possess served their gods, upon the high mountains, and upon the hills, and under every green tree: 3 And ye shall overthrow their altars, and break their pillars, and burn their groves with fire; and ye shall hew down the graven images of their gods, and destroy the names of them out of that place. - Deuteronomy 12:1-3 There's your context for Luke 19:27

[Hermit]

the Bible is known to be inspired by god and therefore open to interpretation.

Not according to the Bible:

What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it. - Deuteronomy 12:32

[cronus]

the Bible is known to be inspired by god and therefore open to interpretation.

Not according to the Bible:

What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it. - Deuteronomy 12:32

So when the Xians say PI=3 they really do mean?