Problematic Stuff

[Brian Peacock]

How many people to they employ? What's the average wage of their employees?

According to the Washington Free Beacon, the median annual salary for women working in Clinton’s Senate office was $40,791, and it was $56,500 for men. In the Clinton Foundation, the average pay for employees 1-4 years was $43,000 and 5 to 9 years was $63,000. So, looks like they hover right around the median household income in the US of about $50 to $55k.

the Clintons pay women less than men -- huge wage gape. With the Senate staff it was 72 cents on the dollar, and with the Clinton foundation it was 63 cents on the dollar, for women (according to the Weekly Standard's analysis.

But, so what? What does it matter? She thinks its horrible that CEOs make 300 times the median worker makes, and she makes 500 times that.

The point, I suppose, it that her words highlight a growing income gap between those who do the work and those who tell those who do the work to do the work - in the same company.

You know, 'UK boardroom pay leaps 55% in a year and 'Boardroom pay gap doubled in a decade' kind of thing.

[Forty Two]

How many people to they employ? What's the average wage of their employees?

According to the Washington Free Beacon, the median annual salary for women working in Clinton’s Senate office was $40,791, and it was $56,500 for men. In the Clinton Foundation, the average pay for employees 1-4 years was $43,000 and 5 to 9 years was $63,000. So, looks like they hover right around the median household income in the US of about $50 to $55k.

the Clintons pay women less than men -- huge wage gape. With the Senate staff it was 72 cents on the dollar, and with the Clinton foundation it was 63 cents on the dollar, for women (according to the Weekly Standard's analysis.

But, so what? What does it matter? She thinks its horrible that CEOs make 300 times the median worker makes, and she makes 500 times that.

The point, I suppose, it that her words highlight a growing income gap between those who do the work and those who tell those who do the work to do the work - in the same company.

You know, 'UK boardroom pay leaps 55% in a year and 'Boardroom pay gap doubled in a decade' kind of thing.

I suppose the point may be that she is among those hoarding the largess about which she complains.

[rasetsu]

That quote is taken out of context, probably deliberately.

January 2000: At a news conference in White Plains, Clinton said, "Marriage has got historic, religious and moral content that goes back to the beginning of time, and I think a marriage is as a marriage has always been, between a man and a woman. But I also believe that people in committed gay marriages, as they believe them to be, should be given rights under the law that recognize and respect their relationship."

Hillary Clinton’s changing position on same-sex marriage

[Hermit]

That quote is taken out of context, probably deliberately.

January 2000: At a news conference in White Plains, Clinton said, "Marriage has got historic, religious and moral content that goes back to the beginning of time, and I think a marriage is as a marriage has always been, between a man and a woman. But I also believe that people in committed gay marriages, as they believe them to be, should be given rights under the law that recognize and respect their relationship."

Hillary Clinton’s changing position on same-sex marriage

CES does not do 'honest'.

[Forty Two]

LOL - right - she opposed gay marriage, and sided with allowing certain rights under the law in the form of civil unions. She didn't say they should be given equal rights, or allowed to "marry."

Nothing "out of context" at all.

[laklak]

War is Peace, man.

[Forty Two]

Clinton opposed same-sex marriage as a candidate for the Senate, while in office as a senator, and while running for president in 2008. She expressed her support for civil unions starting in 2000 and for the rights’ of states to set their own laws in favor of same-sex marriage in 2006.

As polls showed that a majority of Americans supported same-sex marriage, Clinton’s views changed, too. She announced her support for same-sex marriage in March 2013.

It’s up to voters to decide how they feel about her changed stance, but on same-sex marriage we give Clinton a Full Flop.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... -marriage/

Yeah, geniuses, I'm lying about Hillary Clinton's stance on gay marriage. So is Politifact, which cited her varying stances -- She opposed same sex marriage as a candidate for the Senate, while in office as a Senator and while running for Prez in 2008. But, you're right, it's all "out of context"

She wasn't really in favor of the TPP either....

She really did land under sniper fire in Bosnia....

She really did use a private email server out of convenience...

The Bengazi embassy attack really was about an offensive video...

It's all just "out of context."

[rasetsu]

I never said you were lying. I said the quote was taken out of context, and it was. The quote given makes it sound like she was against equal rights for gay couples and that was not her position at all.

[Forty Two]

She was against equal rights for gay people. Nothing in the quote you provided indicates "equal" rights for gay people. If they can't get married, they don't have "equal rights" and even in the quote you gave, she was against gay marriage, but in favor of "rights" given to them to recognize their relationship. Nothing about "equal" rights - nothing about it equating to marriage, much less being marriage.

And, you ignore the Politifact fact check - which rated her 100% full flip flop on this issue, where she ran for Senate and was opposed to gay marriage, and was opposed to it as a Senator and was opposed to it on her first run for the presidency.

I didn't "make it sound" any differently than her own words "make it sound."

[rasetsu]

You're talking marriage. I'm talking rights. Yes she was opposed to same-sex marriage but she was in favor of rights for gay couples. The omitted text in the quote leaves out the latter point which was a part of the same remark and thus distorts the meaning of what she said.

[Forty Two]

You're talking marriage. I'm talking rights. Yes she was opposed to same-sex marriage but she was in favor of rights for gay couples.

Where did she say the rights would be "equal?" That was the big beef with "civil unions" -- they did not afford the same rights to gays as they would have if they could get married.

The omitted text in the quote leaves out the latter point which was a part of the same remark and thus distorts the meaning of what she said.

It doesn't distort it at all. She was against same-sex marriage. Over time, she became open to "civil unions" to give SOME rights to gay relationships. She did not express any view that they should have equal rights, not until she flip flopped completely and switched to being in favor of gay marriage.

Read the Politifact fact check.

[rasetsu]

The omitted text in the quote leaves out the latter point which was a part of the same remark and thus distorts the meaning of what she said.

It doesn't distort it at all. She was against same-sex marriage. Over time, she became open to "civil unions" to give SOME rights to gay relationships.

Over time? What from 1999 to 1999? The very first quotes in that article are from 1999, stating:

December 1999: Clinton told a group of gay contributors at a fundraiser that she was against the "don't ask, don't tell" military policy signed by her husband.

The New York Times reported that Clinton spokesman Howard Wolfson said she supported the Defense of Marriage Act but added that "same-sex unions should be recognized and that same-sex unions should be entitled to all the rights and privileges that every other American gets."

Hillary Clinton’s changing position on same-sex marriage

[Forty Two]

Ah, the Apologia. It burns.

Bend over backwards, twist and contort.

[rasetsu]

Yeah, whatever Gumby.

[Forty Two]

Ignore Politifact - they gave her a complete flop rating on this issue, because, you know, they have it in for Hillary. They're just taking her out of context.