Is Islam inherently homophobic?

[rainbow]

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Disliking some asswipe Christian baker out of petulance and spite isn't in the least irrational

[pErvinalia]

It's less clear than that. It's not about a "majority" as there is no vote count. It's about usages, and being clear about what usage is being used at the time. Homophobic can mean what Seth means it to mean, and it can mean what eRv means it to mean. The resolution to this debate is to simply clarify how one is using the word. There is no inherent meaning or officially codified correct meaning. There are only arguments as to applicable meaning, and some arguments are stronger than others.

It's a weak argument to say that homophobia means love of record albums. That is likely a usage used by nobody. It's a stronger argument to say that homophobia means the clinical psychiatric condition wherein a person has a fear of or anxiety regarding homosexuals. It's also a strong argument that it's common English usage in the non-clinical setting means dislike or prejudice against gay people. The latter definition is not "wrong."

It certainly is. "Dislike" and "prejudice" are two entirely different things and lumping them together under the prejudicial and pejorative word "homophobic" is, as I keep saying, a mendacious and incorrect use of language as a political weapon.

However, that is an accepted definition of the word in common English usage.

Not really.

Yes really. Do they have dictionaries at the rock you live under? https://www.oxforddictionaries.com/defi ... homophobia

You may not like it, but that's the fact.

No, it's what the lexicological left wants to be "the fact." But it's not, it's merely a politically motivated lie and I will continue to point this out.

Wrong. - https://www.oxforddictionaries.com/defi ... homophobia

And, dislike and prejudice can be used in the same definition. It just means that either of those things can qualify someone as homophobic. it doesn't equate the two things.

No it doesn't because neither dislike nor prejudice qualify as a phobia.

If someone dislikes homosexuals or homosexuality then the proper usage is to say "those who dislike homosexuals," and if their actions meet the standards of "prejudice" then that's what should be said. If they are medically phobic about homosexual, then and only then is the term "homophobia" an appropriate and proper, not to mention fair and rational, usage.

Someone who doesn't like homosexuals is generally referred to as a homophobe. Like it or not.

No, they aren't. The are only referred to that way by homosexual radicals engaging Marxist Big Lie tactics to try to deliberately force public perception.

Ahh yes, we should have known the Oxford dictionary are secret Marxists.

And, you are wrong about the limited usage of "homophobia." Most dictionaries define it as a fear or hatred of homosexuals -- some iteration of that. It's common English usage is not a clinical one.

So, not "dislike." Thanks for admitting your argument is shite.

No, as usual, your argument is shite - https://www.oxforddictionaries.com/defi ... homophobia

[Forty Two]

It doesn't matter whether the proponents are ideological fascists or Marxists. In common English usage, homophobia means the fear, hatred, dislike or prejudice against homosexuals -- it is used that way all the time. If someone makes a mean statement about gays, then it will often be referred to as a homophobic statement. When radicals throw gays off buildings, then that's called homophobic whether or not they are clinically "phobic" like someone afraid of heights.

[Seth]

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Disliking some asswipe Christian baker out of petulance and spite isn't in the least irrational

And vice-versa.

[JimC]

It doesn't matter whether the proponents are ideological fascists or Marxists. In common English usage, homophobia means the fear, hatred, dislike or prejudice against homosexuals -- it is used that way all the time. If someone makes a mean statement about gays, then it will often be referred to as a homophobic statement. When radicals throw gays off buildings, then that's called homophobic whether or not they are clinically "phobic" like someone afraid of heights.

Agreed generally, but I think you can definitely say that it is not a clinical phobia whatsoever - the word usage has moved a long way from the other clinical phobias...

[Seth]

It doesn't matter whether the proponents are ideological fascists or Marxists. In common English usage, homophobia means the fear, hatred, dislike or prejudice against homosexuals -- it is used that way all the time. If someone makes a mean statement about gays, then it will often be referred to as a homophobic statement. When radicals throw gays off buildings, then that's called homophobic whether or not they are clinically "phobic" like someone afraid of heights.

Agreed generally, but I think you can definitely say that it is not a clinical phobia whatsoever - the word usage has moved a long way from the other clinical phobias...

No, it's merely that some people are TRYING to move the usage for political reasons. Nobody is compelled to accept their redefinition of the word, and I most certainly don't.

[pErvinalia]

Bloody Marxists are everywhere, eh Seth? Man, how's a libbo supposed to get on in life, with all these secret Marxists out to get him?

[JimC]

It doesn't matter whether the proponents are ideological fascists or Marxists. In common English usage, homophobia means the fear, hatred, dislike or prejudice against homosexuals -- it is used that way all the time. If someone makes a mean statement about gays, then it will often be referred to as a homophobic statement. When radicals throw gays off buildings, then that's called homophobic whether or not they are clinically "phobic" like someone afraid of heights.

Agreed generally, but I think you can definitely say that it is not a clinical phobia whatsoever - the word usage has moved a long way from the other clinical phobias...

No, it's merely that some people are TRYING to move the usage for political reasons. Nobody is compelled to accept their redefinition of the word, and I most certainly don't.

Well, you can be the odd man out (as usual...) if you like, but the word is used by the vast majority not to mean fear, but to mean a spectrum of emotions from dislike to outright hatred. In fact, it was never used in a clinical sense (like claustrophobia, agoraphobia, arachnophobia etc.) but coined de novo for the purpose, somewhat unfortunately in the sense that it does not mesh with the usual use of phobia...

[pErvinalia]

It's not that "unfortunate". There's a number of other words that use the suffix "phobia" in the same way, and which pre-dated the usage of "homophobia". Hydrophobia, for instance, was being used for hundreds of years before "homophobia" was coined. And as the intelligent among us know, that's definitely not a psychological condition suffered by oil etc...

[Seth]

It's not that "unfortunate". There's a number of other words that use the suffix "phobia" in the same way, and which pre-dated the usage of "homophobia". Hydrophobia, for instance, was being used for hundreds of years before "homophobia" was coined. And as the intelligent among us know, that's definitely not a psychological condition suffered by oil etc...

It is, however, a clinical condition suffered by persons and other animals who have rabies. Using "hydrophobic" with respect to oil merely means that oil and water don't mix and is used as a shorthand colloquism that doesn't have any political ramifications.

Therefore your argument is a red-herring and strawman argument and is henceforth dismissed as trolling.

[pErvinalia]

Oh, so if it's political then you accept one definition, and if it's non-political then you accept the other? Yes, that makes sense.

Keep wibbling, champ. The meaning of the word "homophobia" is clear to everyone but you and homophobes, and every dictionary.

By the way... don't move now... but... THERE'S A MARXIST CREEPING UP BEHIND YOU!!1!

[Svartalf]

dammit, you ruined it for my fatal blow

[Seth]

Troll, troll, troll your boat slowly up the stream...

[pErvinalia]

Well you bring it on yourself with your idiotic Marxist conspiracy theory nonsense.

[DRSB]

What to do with your homophobia: