Terrorism is civilian violence intended to further a political or ideological goal by instilling fear in the civilian population. If he was motivated by Islam and allegiance to foreign terrorist organizations, then it's terrorism. Even if he was opposing homosexuality as an aim -- then it's terrorism -- just as much as it's terrorism for a person to attack abortion doctors to further the political aim of being anti-abortion. It certainly appears to be terrorism. The only question here is whether it's exclusively "Islamic" terrorism, or whether it's exclusively "anti-LBGTQ terrorism", or whether it's a combination of the two.eRv wrote:While I agree with you that this isn't terrorism, I don't agree with the feds censoring the tapes. Pretending he didn't say "ISIS" isn't the reason it's not terrorism. It's not terrorism because terrorism has to have some broader social or political aim. What were his aims? Where is his manifesto?piscator wrote:Sorry mate, this has never felt like terrorism. Compare to Paris.laklak wrote:Now, now, you're just getting yourself all worked up over nothing. Dear Leader has decided that we don't need to know the upsetting details, He's only thinking of us, as he does all day, every day! I love Dear Leader! Imagine how unhappy we would all be if Dear Leader didn't tell us what was right and proper to think!!
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Mr Gay Rage just called up the cops and tacked that ISIS crap on the end of it because he didn't want to go down as just another school shooter.
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“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar
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So it was the AG who ordered the censorship?Forty Two wrote:Loretta Lynch is the Attorney General - a Cabinet post. She's a chief adviser. it's funny how folks never want to ascribe to Obama the actions of his Administration. Back when Bush was president, he was blamed for the actions of individual soldiers in Iraq. If something happened in the Bush Administration, it was Bush's fault. Now, you can't even allude to the fact that this was Obama's Department of Justice, led by Obama's Attorney General, who is one of his top advisers in his Cabinet. I mean, it's so ludicrous to suggest that Obama's policies have anything to do with what his chief Cabinet officials are doing....eRv wrote:CES likes to conflate the President with the direct operation of the DOJ and FBI etc. I'm not saying it's not possible that there is some corruptive political influence in the bureaucracy. But to adopt that as the default is conspiracy theory stuff.
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You just more or less repeated my description of terrorism and then tacked on "therefore it was terrorism". What were his wider social or political goals?Forty Two wrote:Terrorism is civilian violence intended to further a political or ideological goal by instilling fear in the civilian population. If he was motivated by Islam and allegiance to foreign terrorist organizations, then it's terrorism. Even if he was opposing homosexuality as an aim -- then it's terrorism -- just as much as it's terrorism for a person to attack abortion doctors to further the political aim of being anti-abortion. It certainly appears to be terrorism. The only question here is whether it's exclusively "Islamic" terrorism, or whether it's exclusively "anti-LBGTQ terrorism", or whether it's a combination of the two.eRv wrote:While I agree with you that this isn't terrorism, I don't agree with the feds censoring the tapes. Pretending he didn't say "ISIS" isn't the reason it's not terrorism. It's not terrorism because terrorism has to have some broader social or political aim. What were his aims? Where is his manifesto?piscator wrote:Sorry mate, this has never felt like terrorism. Compare to Paris.laklak wrote:Now, now, you're just getting yourself all worked up over nothing. Dear Leader has decided that we don't need to know the upsetting details, He's only thinking of us, as he does all day, every day! I love Dear Leader! Imagine how unhappy we would all be if Dear Leader didn't tell us what was right and proper to think!!
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Mr Gay Rage just called up the cops and tacked that ISIS crap on the end of it because he didn't want to go down as just another school shooter.
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Re: Obama USDOJ redacts Islam/Allah/Isis from 911 tape (orla
Don't give a fuck. Do what he did, get a bullet in the head, it's just that simple and no further investigation is needed. In fact there should be no further investigation or reporting on the matter at all. He killed people and took hostages and nobody should give a damn why he did it because it doesn't matter why he did it, he needed to be made dead and was. All this speculation does is to advance the cause of Islamic terrorism by legitimizing the tactic.eRv wrote:You just more or less repeated my description of terrorism and then tacked on "therefore it was terrorism". What were his wider social or political goals?Forty Two wrote:Terrorism is civilian violence intended to further a political or ideological goal by instilling fear in the civilian population. If he was motivated by Islam and allegiance to foreign terrorist organizations, then it's terrorism. Even if he was opposing homosexuality as an aim -- then it's terrorism -- just as much as it's terrorism for a person to attack abortion doctors to further the political aim of being anti-abortion. It certainly appears to be terrorism. The only question here is whether it's exclusively "Islamic" terrorism, or whether it's exclusively "anti-LBGTQ terrorism", or whether it's a combination of the two.eRv wrote:While I agree with you that this isn't terrorism, I don't agree with the feds censoring the tapes. Pretending he didn't say "ISIS" isn't the reason it's not terrorism. It's not terrorism because terrorism has to have some broader social or political aim. What were his aims? Where is his manifesto?piscator wrote:Sorry mate, this has never felt like terrorism. Compare to Paris.laklak wrote:Now, now, you're just getting yourself all worked up over nothing. Dear Leader has decided that we don't need to know the upsetting details, He's only thinking of us, as he does all day, every day! I love Dear Leader! Imagine how unhappy we would all be if Dear Leader didn't tell us what was right and proper to think!!
Remember, Citizens! War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength!
Mr Gay Rage just called up the cops and tacked that ISIS crap on the end of it because he didn't want to go down as just another school shooter.
Neither his name nor his motivations should ever be spoken again by anyone.
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Re: Obama USDOJ redacts Islam/Allah/Isis from 911 tape (orla
He was an American, wasn't he?Forty Two wrote:
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Looks that way, since she was the one announcing the censorship by her department.eRv wrote:So it was the AG who ordered the censorship?Forty Two wrote:Loretta Lynch is the Attorney General - a Cabinet post. She's a chief adviser. it's funny how folks never want to ascribe to Obama the actions of his Administration. Back when Bush was president, he was blamed for the actions of individual soldiers in Iraq. If something happened in the Bush Administration, it was Bush's fault. Now, you can't even allude to the fact that this was Obama's Department of Justice, led by Obama's Attorney General, who is one of his top advisers in his Cabinet. I mean, it's so ludicrous to suggest that Obama's policies have anything to do with what his chief Cabinet officials are doing....eRv wrote:CES likes to conflate the President with the direct operation of the DOJ and FBI etc. I'm not saying it's not possible that there is some corruptive political influence in the bureaucracy. But to adopt that as the default is conspiracy theory stuff.
Attorney General? Low level bureaucrat!
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar
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Well, either to advance ISIS, as he said in his 911 message (normally an admission against interest), or to eliminate homosexuals. Terrorism against homosexuals to achieve an anti-homosexual or anti-LGBTQ agenda would also be terrorism. That's political. If he was robbing the place, or getting revenge for some personal slight, or just going psycho, then it wouldn't be terrorism. If you're sending a conscious political or social message with violence, it's probably terrorism, don't you think?eRv wrote:You just more or less repeated my description of terrorism and then tacked on "therefore it was terrorism". What were his wider social or political goals?Forty Two wrote:Terrorism is civilian violence intended to further a political or ideological goal by instilling fear in the civilian population. If he was motivated by Islam and allegiance to foreign terrorist organizations, then it's terrorism. Even if he was opposing homosexuality as an aim -- then it's terrorism -- just as much as it's terrorism for a person to attack abortion doctors to further the political aim of being anti-abortion. It certainly appears to be terrorism. The only question here is whether it's exclusively "Islamic" terrorism, or whether it's exclusively "anti-LBGTQ terrorism", or whether it's a combination of the two.eRv wrote:While I agree with you that this isn't terrorism, I don't agree with the feds censoring the tapes. Pretending he didn't say "ISIS" isn't the reason it's not terrorism. It's not terrorism because terrorism has to have some broader social or political aim. What were his aims? Where is his manifesto?piscator wrote:Sorry mate, this has never felt like terrorism. Compare to Paris.laklak wrote:Now, now, you're just getting yourself all worked up over nothing. Dear Leader has decided that we don't need to know the upsetting details, He's only thinking of us, as he does all day, every day! I love Dear Leader! Imagine how unhappy we would all be if Dear Leader didn't tell us what was right and proper to think!!
Remember, Citizens! War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength!
Mr Gay Rage just called up the cops and tacked that ISIS crap on the end of it because he didn't want to go down as just another school shooter.
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar
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I disagree, as his motivations and an investigation into how and why he did it could lead to accomplices, associated organizations, networks, finances, and the like -- also, it can reveal information that would help in preventing another similar event.Seth wrote:
Don't give a fuck. Do what he did, get a bullet in the head, it's just that simple and no further investigation is needed. In fact there should be no further investigation or reporting on the matter at all. He killed people and took hostages and nobody should give a damn why he did it because it doesn't matter why he did it, he needed to be made dead and was. All this speculation does is to advance the cause of Islamic terrorism by legitimizing the tactic.
Neither his name nor his motivations should ever be spoken again by anyone.
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar
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Sure, but he was marginalized and oppressed. He was forced into his actions by the white, oppressive, patriarchal, racist, capitalist, militarist, colonial, culture in which he was steeped. While his actions were abhorrent, we need to look to ourselves for the blame here. This poor, brown fellow was firing a 30 round magazine to power.JimC wrote:He was an American, wasn't he?Forty Two wrote:
...There is no suggestion he was nuts about guns...
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar
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Re: Obama USDOJ redacts Islam/Allah/Isis from 911 tape (orla
yeah, right, and he was also the pope.
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To repress is the worst thing to do. If you have a suspicion you might be gay you need to visit a gay pub unarmed and ready to try anything. I did one time but the place was dead. Trouble with being a afternoon drinker I guess.
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Don't get me started on the Pope....
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar
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CNN was asking Loretta Lynch yesterday who decided to redact the 911 tape, and she refused to answer the question. LOL.
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar
Re: Obama USDOJ redacts Islam/Allah/Isis from 911 tape (orla
Okay, it can be spoken by the police and intelligence agencies...but not to or by the public.Forty Two wrote:I disagree, as his motivations and an investigation into how and why he did it could lead to accomplices, associated organizations, networks, finances, and the like -- also, it can reveal information that would help in preventing another similar event.Seth wrote:
Don't give a fuck. Do what he did, get a bullet in the head, it's just that simple and no further investigation is needed. In fact there should be no further investigation or reporting on the matter at all. He killed people and took hostages and nobody should give a damn why he did it because it doesn't matter why he did it, he needed to be made dead and was. All this speculation does is to advance the cause of Islamic terrorism by legitimizing the tactic.
Neither his name nor his motivations should ever be spoken again by anyone.
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