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Post by pErvinalia » Mon Jun 20, 2016 2:15 pm

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Meekychuppet wrote: You do take him seriously. If you didn't you wouldn't respond as though he were a threat. I'm pretty sure you don't yell at the homeless or whatever since they're no threat to you, so if he is so absurd why are you talking to him?
I find you totally absurd, yet I still respond to your postings.

...just saying.
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Re: Labour MP killed after being stabbed and shot in the str

Post by Meekychuppet » Mon Jun 20, 2016 2:17 pm

rainbow wrote:
Meekychuppet wrote: You do take him seriously. If you didn't you wouldn't respond as though he were a threat. I'm pretty sure you don't yell at the homeless or whatever since they're no threat to you, so if he is so absurd why are you talking to him?
I find you totally absurd, yet I still respond to your postings.

...just saying.
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Re: Labour MP killed after being stabbed and shot in the str

Post by Seth » Mon Jun 20, 2016 2:18 pm

Strontium Dog wrote:
devogue wrote:...a climate in which moderate discussion of important issues like over-immigration is slammed as racist and not what "right thinking" people do.
It's the belief that we are undergoing over-immigration that is wrongheaded, as is the belief that immigration is a negative to be suffered rather than an enormous positive to be harnessed.
Whether immigration is a positive or a negative depends on a number of factors including whether those immigrating are doing so with the permission of the people of the nation they are emigrating to, they are doing so within the confines of the legal system set up by that nation, they are persons who will be of net benefit to the nation, as opposed to economic migrants who are often net drains on the economy, and most importantly, if they are terrorists or fifth-columnists who are entering the country with the intent of suborning and overthrowing the established order of the nation.
Not to mention that if your immediate thought is to tell people that they can't live on one part of the planet because they were born on another part of the planet, then you are a massive racist and/or xenophobe.
Not really. Territoriality and tribalism are natural components of human nature and indeed many higher animals. It has to do with the allocation of resources and survival of the species. If everyone on earth decides that Britain is where they want to live and they go there how long do you think anyone will survive on that tiny island.

It may suck that you were born in the Middle East or Africa or some other place not as nice as some other place on earth, but that doesn't mean that you have any innate right to harm the inhabitants of some other place you like better just because you like it better. If the place you live sucks, then make it better, don't foist yourself off on others and rob from them the benefits that THEY have work for to make THEIR lives better. That's force and fraud both.

Nation states and borders are an evil to be done away with, not something to desperately cling on to.
Then you won't mind if your government bundles you up on a sweaty, stinking cargo ship and send you off somewhere you don't want to go in order to accommodate someone who wants what you have now will you?
Thank goodness for organisations like the EU, who will help speed us towards the promised land of a world without borders, a world where everyone can be free to go wherever, travel whenever, be whoever and live however the fuck they want without authorities to tell them that they cannot.
And how's that going for Europe so far? Seems as if things aren't proceeding far down that road right now, which is why Britain is pondering exit from the EU...along with, I suspect, a bunch of other nations who have realized that it's not in the interests of THEIR citizens, who are the ones who paid and worked to build those nations and create the benefits that accrue to those who have done that work, to allow just anyone to get on a raft and become a burden on the economy and enjoy the benefits that they contributed exactly nothing to creating.

Of course, if you really feel strongly about this I suggest that you offer YOUR position in YOUR society, where YOU get to pound out bilge on a computer whenever you like to some third-world shithole resident such as the kids who scrape shit off the asses of adults in India and change places with them. That seems like a fair quid pro quo. You leave the country and the poor child in India gets to live in a tony flat with running water, a flush toilet, electricity, air conditioning, TV and a computer and YOU get to go stand on the banks of the river and have people shit on your head.

Can I contribute to your freighter fare to Delhi or are you merely expounding gross hypocrisy and bloviating ignorance?
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Re: Labour MP killed after being stabbed and shot in the str

Post by Scot Dutchy » Mon Jun 20, 2016 2:19 pm

Tend to agree with eRv there. These days he is on my ignore list although now and again I read his posts and wish I hadn't.
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Post by Seth » Mon Jun 20, 2016 2:20 pm

Scot Dutchy wrote:
Meekychuppet wrote:
Scot Dutchy wrote:Scared? Really this is like Alice in Wonderland.[/qoute]


I think he's pretty much a plantpot myself, but I don't need to do what you do. If he's so self-evidently wrong then why do you constantly belittle and attack him?
He makes stupid statements to which he gets stupid replies. This is a guy who does not believe in taxation never mind public services. If you want a road you build it and hope that your neighbours road meets yours. Wasted hours and hours trying to discuss even the basics of a working society. Never mind health care and education. All of a sudden I have to take him seriously? :fp:
No, you merely have to refrain from violating the FUA's prohibition against personal attacks and its "play nice" rule.
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Re: Labour MP killed after being stabbed and shot in the str

Post by Meekychuppet » Mon Jun 20, 2016 2:22 pm

Scot Dutchy wrote:Tend to agree with eRv there. These days he is on my ignore list although now and again I read his posts and wish I hadn't.
Sounds like he's your drug of choice.
Rum wrote:Does it occur to you that you have subscribed to the model of maleness you seem to be pushing in order to justify your innately hostile and aggressive nature? I have noticed it often and even wondered if it might be some sort of personality disorder. You should consider this possibility.

Rum wrote:Did I leave out being a twat? (With ref to your sig)
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Re: Labour MP killed after being stabbed and shot in the str

Post by Scot Dutchy » Mon Jun 20, 2016 2:23 pm

You are raising him to new levels. :lol:
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Post by Seth » Mon Jun 20, 2016 2:25 pm

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Because the ideas he (and others) promulgate are very dangerous to modern civilised liberal democracy.
Ah yes, there it is, the liberally fascistic justification every evil Marxist and their ilk have used to disparage, demean, attack and kill a hundred million people in the last century.

Stalin would be proud of you "eRv".
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Re: Labour MP killed after being stabbed and shot in the str

Post by Hermit » Mon Jun 20, 2016 2:33 pm

Meekychuppet wrote:
Hermit wrote:
Meekychuppet wrote:
Hermit wrote:You ever gonna answer my other question? Or is running away your final answer?
Your memory is even worse than your grammar. Refresh it here.
I did answer, explaining that I'm not transcribing the video for you.
I asked for a summary. You said that you won't do that. That is not what I'd call answering the question. It's more like saying "No. I decline." Then you insist that I answer yours? I told you why you're not getting one. Can you remember what the reason was?
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Re: Labour MP killed after being stabbed and shot in the str

Post by Galaxian » Mon Jun 20, 2016 2:39 pm

Meekychuppet wrote:
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Brian Peacock wrote:Galaxian sees a conspiracy in opening a litre of milk.
Almost, but not quite. It should be evident by now that ANY important news item should be questioned as possibly/probably fraudulent and/or propaganda.

If the news says that there was a car chase on 1st street, or that a couple of kids drowned in the canal, OK, probably so.

It's the old adage that, "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." Trivia about a car chase or kids drowning are not world shattering events. 9/11 is, the Paris rock concert shooting is, Orlando is. So they MUST be treated with great suspicion. Halfway there is the Jo Cox MP murder.

When I was a child I believed that 90% of important things that we were told, for example on the news, was true and that the remaining 10% was in error only by accident. Now that I have lived too long and seen too much, I realize that 90% of important things that we are fed on the news is lies & deceit, and only 10% may be true, and that only because it happens to coincide with the official agenda & strategy.

You lot would do well to follow that example. You will see plain evidence, in your face, that you were blind to before. Glaring examples of fraud & control, that you'd kick yourselves for not recognizing before.

Here's a movie about your predicament:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwqa1mCt3tM


But 'cognitive dissonance' is a powerful drug. "The truth will set you free", but ONLY if you are humble, sincere & open minded :read:
That's my favourite film, but come off it. It's not a documentary.
The poster of the YouTube uploader says, "Based on a True Story" in reference to the several metaphors & analogies that the author had used. He explains these metaphors fully in the video. That's how it's base on a true story, like, for example "Brave New World", or "1984".

Infact, month by month this SF film becomes more relevant. We now see the Asimov robot novels coming to fruition. See "I Robot" for instance.

My take on "They Live" is that it's too optimistic. We are in a control system that intends to do away with us. And it WILL happen ("Terminator" is a good model of that). There's NOTHING we can do, since it's a sentience well beyond out capacity to confront. So it's just a matter of when, not if. And indications are that when is in about 20 years.

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Post by pErvinalia » Mon Jun 20, 2016 2:40 pm

Seth wrote:
eRv wrote:
Because the ideas he (and others) promulgate are very dangerous to modern civilised liberal democracy.
Ah yes, there it is, the liberally fascistic justification every evil Marxist and their ilk have used to disparage, demean, attack and kill a hundred million people in the last century.

Stalin would be proud of you "eRv".
As a social-democrat (pragmatically) and an anarchist (ideologically) I am the enemy of Stalin. However, you and Hitler would have got on like a house on fire.
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Re: Labour MP killed after being stabbed and shot in the str

Post by Seth » Mon Jun 20, 2016 2:52 pm

eRv wrote:
Seth wrote:
eRv wrote:
Because the ideas he (and others) promulgate are very dangerous to modern civilised liberal democracy.
Ah yes, there it is, the liberally fascistic justification every evil Marxist and their ilk have used to disparage, demean, attack and kill a hundred million people in the last century.

Stalin would be proud of you "eRv".
As a social-democrat (pragmatically) and an anarchist (ideologically) I am the enemy of Stalin. However, you and Hitler would have got on like a house on fire.
You do not espouse the positions of social democracy or anarchy with the statement under examination, you espouse the position of every murderous Marxist totalitarian despot in history...and Adolf Hitler.

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck I say it's a duck.
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Post by Meekychuppet » Mon Jun 20, 2016 3:33 pm

Hermit wrote:
Meekychuppet wrote:
Hermit wrote:
Meekychuppet wrote:
Hermit wrote:You ever gonna answer my other question? Or is running away your final answer?
Your memory is even worse than your grammar. Refresh it here.
I did answer, explaining that I'm not transcribing the video for you.
I asked for a summary. You said that you won't do that. That is not what I'd call answering the question. It's more like saying "No. I decline." Then you insist that I answer yours? I told you why you're not getting one. Can you remember what the reason was?
Why would I summarise when you can just watch it? Asking me to watch a video for you is not the same as asking you what you mean or what you are talking about, but if you're going to behave in this way then what's the point?

You're the only person I've ever met who comes to a discussion forum to avoid discussing.
Rum wrote:Does it occur to you that you have subscribed to the model of maleness you seem to be pushing in order to justify your innately hostile and aggressive nature? I have noticed it often and even wondered if it might be some sort of personality disorder. You should consider this possibility.

Rum wrote:Did I leave out being a twat? (With ref to your sig)
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Post by pErvinalia » Mon Jun 20, 2016 3:39 pm

Meekychuppet wrote:
Hermit wrote:
Meekychuppet wrote:
Hermit wrote:Your memory is even worse than your grammar. Refresh it here.
I did answer, explaining that I'm not transcribing the video for you.
I asked for a summary. You said that you won't do that. That is not what I'd call answering the question. It's more like saying "No. I decline." Then you insist that I answer yours? I told you why you're not getting one. Can you remember what the reason was?
Why would I summarise when you can just watch it? Asking me to watch a video for you is not the same as asking you what you mean or what you are talking about, but if you're going to behave in this way then what's the point?
You really are the king of straw, aren't you? He didn't ask you to "watch a video for [him]".
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Re: Labour MP killed after being stabbed and shot in the str

Post by Seth » Mon Jun 20, 2016 4:08 pm

eRv wrote:
Meekychuppet wrote:
Hermit wrote:
Meekychuppet wrote:
Hermit wrote:Your memory is even worse than your grammar. Refresh it here.
I did answer, explaining that I'm not transcribing the video for you.
I asked for a summary. You said that you won't do that. That is not what I'd call answering the question. It's more like saying "No. I decline." Then you insist that I answer yours? I told you why you're not getting one. Can you remember what the reason was?
Why would I summarise when you can just watch it? Asking me to watch a video for you is not the same as asking you what you mean or what you are talking about, but if you're going to behave in this way then what's the point?
You really are the king of straw, aren't you? He didn't ask you to "watch a video for [him]".
Of course he did. He asked for a summary of the video, therefore he is asking Meek to watch the video for his benefit and provide a summary. That's just laziness. If he wishes to participate in the debate then he should watch the video and summarize it for himself, particularly because he may well have a different take on it.
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