Labour MP killed after being stabbed and shot in the street

[pErvinalia]

Did you ever consider that you were born 200 years too late?

[cronus]

Did you ever consider that you were born 200 years too late?

Being unpalatable isn't the same as being wrong. Rwanda, Serbo-croatia and countless small scale inter-ethnic conflicts shows this is a perenial issue. The only answer that works to keep the peace is to give a uniform dress code and a uniform, by rote, set of inclusive 'ethical' rules....essentially totalitarianism. That's what'll come to after the industrial collapse. No food in trough and the universal knuckle brains will start to fight. Peace is boredom for some.

[pErvinalia]

The end game

:tinfoilhatsmiley:

[MrJonno]

The end game for these mass migrations is almost always civil war, often including genocide. Eventual peaceful integration is very rare.
The British Empire, Zulu migration, The US (native americans ), Muslims in SE Asia, Chinese in Malaysia, Armenia, Israel, and Ukraine are just some examples.

Europe has already had its genocidal civil war (twice) , the EU was a result of it. The EU isn't a history of countries that love each other its the history of countries that have ripped themselves about and wiped out millions.

We are bonded in spilt blood, never again

[Seth]

Maybe he wasn't crazy, the Labour MP could certainly be considered a traitor to Britain for her pro refugee multi cultural views. When the Capitol of Britain is minority British you have to wonder who the crazy person is.

No, there's no wondering involved, it's as obvious as anything can be. A Muslim mayor who immediately bans sexy tube ads because it "demeans women?" Only an idiot believes that.

Londoners better get ready to pray five times a day or the Sharia police will beat and kill them.

[Seth]

Maybe he wasn't crazy, the Labour MP could certainly be considered a traitor to Britain for her pro refugee multi cultural views. When the Capitol of Britain is minority British you have to wonder who the crazy person is.

That depends on how you define 'traitor' and 'British'. Most people don't define either of those term in a way that would justify your assertion.

Most people are ignorant idiots.

[pErvinalia]

Londoners better get ready to pray five times a day or the Marxist Sharia police will beat and kill them.

[Seth]

Maybe he wasn't crazy, the Labour MP could certainly be considered a traitor to Britain for her pro refugee multi cultural views. When the Capitol of Britain is minority British you have to wonder who the crazy person is.

That depends on how you define 'traitor' and 'British'. Most civilised people don't define either of those term in a way that would justify your assertion.

Fixed...

Adding a wry "civilised" is so easy to do but support for Brexit has been fuelled by unprecedented levels of immigration in to the UK. Old, homogenous communities have been utterly transformed and, quite simply, the question of whether this was desirable was never asked by the elite - it has taken time, but the old certainties of the Tory-Labour stranglehold have begun to creak and crack during this process.

True or not, people with a sincere belief in another potential outcome do not deserve to be called traitors...

Sure they do. Sincerity of belief does not excuse treachery or treason, just ask the IRA.

[MrJonno]

Sure they do. Sincerity of belief does not excuse treachery or treason, just ask the IRA.

I think we did excuse them and put them into the power sharing government, not great but better the alternative of generations of more conflict

[JimC]

Calling an elected member of parliament, after being assassinated brutally by a rightwing lunatic a traitor just because you disagree with her politics is both wrong-headed and utterly contemptible. If one disagrees with policies, one argues, one does not descend to the level of a mob baying for blood.

[Brian Peacock]

I wonder what the opposite of a traitor, a patriot, is actually supposed to be when people indulge in that level of simple-minded rhetoric.

[devogue]

Calling an elected member of parliament, after being assassinated brutally by a rightwing lunatic a traitor just because you disagree with her politics is both wrong-headed and utterly contemptible. If one disagrees with policies, one argues, one does not descend to the level of a mob baying for blood.

You can call someone a traitor without baying for their blood, you know.

What happened to Jo Cox was horrific, tragic and deplorable but her politics can be discussed separately from her murder.

She was a member of a political elite that has consistently ignored or dismissed one of the most pressing issues in British politics, an issue that has the population leaning very strongly one way while this detached elite moves it in another. In the absence of palatable alternatives voter turnout has declined considerably since the UK joined the EEC in 1973, and this frustration has erupted across the course of the EU referendum debate. The majority of the British public feels betrayed by the political class - that betrayal is z form of treason.

[JimC]

It is an utter nonsense to call it treason, which should be reserved for serious crimes like selling defence secrets to an enemy nation. She has a particular political stance on immigration that you disagree with. This does not make her, or anyone else with the same stance, a traitor. Otherwise, anybody and everybody that someone disagrees with politically can be called a traitor, which is patently absurd.

[Seth]

Calling an elected member of parliament, after being assassinated brutally by a rightwing lunatic a traitor just because you disagree with her politics is both wrong-headed and utterly contemptible. If one disagrees with policies, one argues, one does not descend to the level of a mob baying for blood.

Tell it to the leftist liberal fascist baying mobs who perpetrate violence at Donald Trump rallies, among other malfeasance. Political violence is the hallmark of leftist liberal fascists, and always has been, right back to Karl Marx.

And I don't call her a traitor because she's not my (ex) politician and I could not give a fuck what happens in the UK. Evidently however there are people in Britain who think she's a traitor, and their opinion is as valid as yours is and they have a perfect right to hold that opinion...therefore Brexit.

As for her getting killed, she's hardly the first politician to be made aware of the fact that when politicians push the common man too far they occasionally get reminded of their mortality, and their duty to the people, in violent ways. It's a useful feature of human society that rulers are from time to time reminded that they are neither gods nor invulnerable.

England has long been a nation well known for violently oppressing those who disagree with English politics or English pretensions to empire (think Ireland, Scotland and India among many others) and it has a long and appropriate history of dispensing with tyrants who push the common man too far (think Richard III). It appears however that the fight and drive for liberty has finally been bred out of almost all Englishmen and they have become pantywaist liberal sheeple who will bend over and take it up the ass rather than stand up and fight for their freedom from tyranny, from the left or from the right...with one notable recent exception.

[JimC]

Fuck off, Seth...