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Re: Election 2016 Thread

Post by Forty Two » Fri Jun 10, 2016 3:58 pm

eRv wrote:I just can't let bald faced lying and misrepresentation go unchallenged. He's been doing this for years. And he never learns that he'll get called on it by me or Hermit (or others). As I said to him, I don't invest much time and effort into replying to him as all conversations with him go this way. The art is to debunk him and show him up for all the lying and misrepresentation with as few words as possible. It's actually a challenge I've set myself. It's an art I want to master.
Oh, stop your nonsense and bellyaching. You're not fooling anyone.

I don't know or care how much time you invest. When you throw out a sentence fragment as a position in a discussion, people are allowed to respond to it. If your idea is presented in a vague fashion, as yours often are, don't expect others to do the work of summing up your argument for you.

You couldn't debunk a Creationist, eRv.
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Re: Election 2016 Thread

Post by pErvinalia » Fri Jun 10, 2016 4:01 pm

Demand side economics is based on the belief that the main force affecting overall economic activity and causing short-term fluctuations is consumer demand for goods and services. Sometimes called Keynesian economics, demand side economics developed in response to the Great Depression when conventional supply side economics failed to adequately explain why the mechanisms of the free market was seemingly unable to self-correct or restore balance to the economy as previously expected.

In opposition to classical theories of economics that theorize economic activity is stimulated by increasing net wealth, leading to investment in providing increased supplies. Demand side economics claims that economic activity is best boosted by increasing the buying power of the lower and middle classes, thus increasing the demand for goods and services.

At the core of demand side economics is the focus on aggregate demand. Aggregate demand is the combination of consumption of goods, industry investment in capital goods, government spending and net exports. When other elements of aggregate demand are weak, the government can mitigate their impact by increasing its spending. The government can intervene to generate demand for goods and services.

Demand side economists support heavy government spending during a national recession to overcome the short-term low aggregate demand. Raising the market's aggregate demand will reduce unemployment and encourage economic activity, according to this theory. The government increases demand through spending on public goods and services as well as through its control of the money supply through altering interest rates or trading on government-issued bonds.
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Nothing about deficits. What you really wanted to say is that deficit spending isn't considered as big a concern in Keynesian economics.
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Re: Election 2016 Thread

Post by pErvinalia » Fri Jun 10, 2016 4:02 pm

Forty Two wrote:
eRv wrote:I just can't let bald faced lying and misrepresentation go unchallenged. He's been doing this for years. And he never learns that he'll get called on it by me or Hermit (or others). As I said to him, I don't invest much time and effort into replying to him as all conversations with him go this way. The art is to debunk him and show him up for all the lying and misrepresentation with as few words as possible. It's actually a challenge I've set myself. It's an art I want to master.
Oh, stop your nonsense and bellyaching. You're not fooling anyone.
Says the guy who thinks he's fooling everyone that he's not Coito Ergo Sum running a sock puppet. :coffee:
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Re: Election 2016 Thread

Post by Forty Two » Fri Jun 10, 2016 4:04 pm

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“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar

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Re: Election 2016 Thread

Post by Forty Two » Fri Jun 10, 2016 4:07 pm

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“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar

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Re: Election 2016 Thread

Post by piscator » Fri Jun 10, 2016 4:19 pm

Forty Two wrote:
piscator wrote:You should be able to do better than to be a partisan hack in the service of a lowlife fraud so obviously unfit for the job his monstrous ego has nonetheless demanded of him.
You're the only one being a partisan hack. You don't care about facts or detail or evidence or proof.

Yeah I do, I just get all that from honest people.

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piscator wrote:Where do you guys buy your wives?
Africa. The cow-dollar exchange rate was in my favor.
Yeah well that's just, like, your opinion, man.

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Re: Election 2016 Thread

Post by Forty Two » Fri Jun 10, 2016 5:30 pm

piscator wrote:
Forty Two wrote:
piscator wrote:You should be able to do better than to be a partisan hack in the service of a lowlife fraud so obviously unfit for the job his monstrous ego has nonetheless demanded of him.
You're the only one being a partisan hack. You don't care about facts or detail or evidence or proof.

Yeah I do, I just get all that from honest people.
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Re: Election 2016 Thread

Post by Hermit » Fri Jun 10, 2016 5:56 pm

eRv wrote:I just can't let bald faced lying and misrepresentation go unchallenged. He's been doing this for years. And he never learns that he'll get called on it by me or Hermit (or others).
I never challenged CES on bald faced lying, because I think he actually persuades himself to believe his own misrepresentations. To me a bald lie is when you tell someone that something is true when you know that it is not.
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Re: Election 2016 Thread

Post by Forty Two » Fri Jun 10, 2016 6:04 pm

Hermit, you and eRv are ridiculous.
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar

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Re: Election 2016 Thread

Post by Forty Two » Fri Jun 10, 2016 6:12 pm

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“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar

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Re: Election 2016 Thread

Post by piscator » Fri Jun 10, 2016 6:39 pm

Hermit wrote:
eRv wrote:I just can't let bald faced lying and misrepresentation go unchallenged. He's been doing this for years. And he never learns that he'll get called on it by me or Hermit (or others).
I never challenged CES on bald faced lying, because I think he actually persuades himself to believe his own misrepresentations. To me a bald lie is when you tell someone that something is true when you know that it is not.
Yeah, and when you catch someone in one of those, it's just hard to take that person seriously from then on.

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Re: Election 2016 Thread

Post by Forty Two » Fri Jun 10, 2016 7:06 pm

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“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar

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