Indeed, but to the social justice, identity politics person, equal treatment is not equality. Since women are traditionally disadvantaged in our society, then ridiculing or joking about women equal to that which is meted out to men is not equality. It's the same logic behind "women can't be sexist because sexism requires systemic power" and "punch up not down" (where joking about women is punching down, and joking about men is punching up).Cunt wrote:I have noticed that a lot of people are insistent that you can't joke about a given group, or subject. To me, that is singling out in a worse way than joking about it.rachelbean wrote: As for problematic stuff:
On April Fool's day I saw I post on Facebook which said to "think before you post" things such as fake pregnancy announcements because you could hurt someone who is infertile or otherwise incapable of having children. I still am confused by that logic. I mean I understand why someone knowing other people are getting pregnant when they want to can be painful, but that goes for every day of the year. Is it because it is put in the form of a joke? Still don't understand how that makes it any different. I mean shouldn't you then also avoid posting real pregnancy announcements, or birth announcements or heck anything to do with your children?
For instance, if you forbade joking about women, because rachelbean might be upset by it, would you not (as rachelbean) be a bit bothered by the different treatment?
They firmly believe that equality requires unequal treatment, or put another way, that unequal treatment is actually equal treatment when viewed in light of relative position on the Progressive Stack.
In identity politic terms, that's a microaggression. You should say "I think that singling out groups, be they racial groups, rape victims or politicians, who are historically disadvantaged, by making it unacceptable to joke about them, is a proper recognition of the historical context of oppression in our patriarchal, racist, rape culture.Cunt wrote: I think singling out any group, be they a racial group, rape victims or politicians, by making it unacceptable to joke about them, would be like saying they were too weak or frail to be treated like anyone else.
The individual doesn't matter. The important feature is that overall, women are disadvantaged. The social justice identity politic ideology does not view issues from the standpoint of individual rights or individual dignity. It's generally Marxist in approach -- class struggle theory is applied to racial, sex, gender identity and other groups. The aristocracy are the white, CIS males. Then there are bourgeois categories of less privileged males, but everyone else gets to claim proletariat status of some form. We have nothing to lose but our chains, say the Concerned Student 1950 folks, and various feminist groups during various protests. It's not a coincidence that they like to chant the last line of the Communist Manifesto. They are using Marxist theory.Cunt wrote:
I have known members of ALL those groups who were strong, weak, or anywhere in between.
