White Preschoolers Think they Can Grow Up to Be Black

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White Preschoolers Think they Can Grow Up to Be Black

Post by Forty Two » Thu May 19, 2016 7:09 pm

http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2016/05/19/ ... -think-so/

this may be one of the dumbest studies in the history of academia.

A preschooler can believe weird thing? Wut? O Rly? Whodathunkit?

Shit, and here I thought the only weird things preschoolers can believe is, like, well, they can become princesses like Elsa and Ana when they grow up....
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar

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Re: White Preschoolers Think they Can Grow Up to Be Black

Post by Svartalf » Thu May 19, 2016 7:53 pm

If michael jackson thought he could be white, and nearly succeeded at it, why not the reverse?
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Re: White Preschoolers Think they Can Grow Up to Be Black

Post by Animavore » Thu May 19, 2016 8:14 pm

Forty Two wrote:http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2016/05/19/ ... -think-so/

this may be one of the dumbest studies in the history of academia.

A preschooler can believe weird thing? Wut? O Rly? Whodathunkit?

Shit, and here I thought the only weird things preschoolers can believe is, like, well, they can become princesses like Elsa and Ana when they grow up....
What's so stupid about it?
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Re: White Preschoolers Think they Can Grow Up to Be Black

Post by Forty Two » Thu May 19, 2016 8:14 pm

I thought race was a social construct anyway....
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar

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Post by Forty Two » Thu May 19, 2016 8:15 pm

Animavore wrote:
Forty Two wrote:http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2016/05/19/ ... -think-so/

this may be one of the dumbest studies in the history of academia.

A preschooler can believe weird thing? Wut? O Rly? Whodathunkit?

Shit, and here I thought the only weird things preschoolers can believe is, like, well, they can become princesses like Elsa and Ana when they grow up....
What's so stupid about it?
Preschoolers think they can grow up to be black. They also think they can grow up to be superman, a bicycle, and a hug.
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar

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Post by pErvinalia » Fri May 20, 2016 1:22 am

“These data suggest that beliefs about racial stability vary by age and race, and that at an early age, children do not have strong beliefs about race. They don’t even believe that race is stable,” Roberts said in a statement. “Because of this, white 5- to 6-year-olds may be less likely to use race as a way to discriminate against other children when selecting who to play with, for example.”
Nothing stupid about that. What it's showing evidence of is that racism isn't inherent, but is a learned social practice.
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Post by JimC » Fri May 20, 2016 1:43 am

There's even stranger shit. Some people in this forum thought they'd be intelligent when they grew up... :tea:
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Post by Tyrannical » Fri May 20, 2016 3:14 am

A rational skeptic should be able to discuss and debate anything, no matter how much they may personally disagree with that point of view. Discussing a subject is not agreeing with it, but understanding it.

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Post by pErvinalia » Fri May 20, 2016 3:38 am

I wonder how many kids thought "When I grow up I want to be a racist"... Do you want to be a racist, T, when you grow up? :coffee:
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Re: White Preschoolers Think they Can Grow Up to Be Black

Post by Animavore » Fri May 20, 2016 6:08 am

Forty Two wrote:
Animavore wrote:
Forty Two wrote:http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2016/05/19/ ... -think-so/

this may be one of the dumbest studies in the history of academia.

A preschooler can believe weird thing? Wut? O Rly? Whodathunkit?

Shit, and here I thought the only weird things preschoolers can believe is, like, well, they can become princesses like Elsa and Ana when they grow up....
What's so stupid about it?
Preschoolers think they can grow up to be black. They also think they can grow up to be superman, a bicycle, and a hug.
You're saying this like it should be obvious to me what's so stupid about it.
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Re: White Preschoolers Think they Can Grow Up to Be Black

Post by Hermit » Fri May 20, 2016 1:07 pm

Forty Two wrote:http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2016/05/19/ ... -think-so/

this may be one of the dumbest studies in the history of academia.
Actually, no. The not so dumb point of the study is that racism is taught later in life.
Steven Roberts, a U-M doctoral student and the study’s lead author, said that although children may be aware of races other than their own, they don’t have a strong understanding of what race is — at least not to the degree of adults.
You and I may be well aware of that. Many are not.
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Re: White Preschoolers Think they Can Grow Up to Be Black

Post by Forty Two » Mon May 23, 2016 12:50 pm

Animavore wrote:
Forty Two wrote:
Animavore wrote:
Forty Two wrote:http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2016/05/19/ ... -think-so/

this may be one of the dumbest studies in the history of academia.

A preschooler can believe weird thing? Wut? O Rly? Whodathunkit?

Shit, and here I thought the only weird things preschoolers can believe is, like, well, they can become princesses like Elsa and Ana when they grow up....
What's so stupid about it?
Preschoolers think they can grow up to be black. They also think they can grow up to be superman, a bicycle, and a hug.
You're saying this like it should be obvious to me what's so stupid about it.
Read closer - the distinction they make is that black preschoolers correctly note that they cannot grow up to be white.....
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar

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Re: White Preschoolers Think they Can Grow Up to Be Black

Post by Forty Two » Mon May 23, 2016 12:51 pm

Hermit wrote:
Forty Two wrote:http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2016/05/19/ ... -think-so/

this may be one of the dumbest studies in the history of academia.
Actually, no. The not so dumb point of the study is that racism is taught later in life.
...only with regard to "white" people. LOL
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Steven Roberts, a U-M doctoral student and the study’s lead author, said that although children may be aware of races other than their own, they don’t have a strong understanding of what race is — at least not to the degree of adults.
You and I may be well aware of that. Many are not.
Not black preschoolers, though... they were able to correctly note that they won't grow up to be white.
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar

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Re: White Preschoolers Think they Can Grow Up to Be Black

Post by Hermit » Mon May 23, 2016 12:57 pm

Forty Two wrote:
Hermit wrote:
Forty Two wrote:http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2016/05/19/ ... -think-so/

this may be one of the dumbest studies in the history of academia.
Actually, no. The not so dumb point of the study is that racism is taught later in life.
...only with regard to "white" people. LOL
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Steven Roberts, a U-M doctoral student and the study’s lead author, said that although children may be aware of races other than their own, they don’t have a strong understanding of what race is — at least not to the degree of adults.
You and I may be well aware of that. Many are not.
Not black preschoolers, though... they were able to correctly note that they won't grow up to be white.
One possible reason underlying these differences could be experience. Roberts says black children might learn about racial differences at younger ages because of their exposure to more racial diversity, whereas their white peers might not get those experiences until they attend grade school.
Duh. :roll:
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Re: White Preschoolers Think they Can Grow Up to Be Black

Post by Forty Two » Mon May 23, 2016 1:28 pm

I saw that - sounds bizarre on its face.

On what basis do they claim black preschoolers are exposed to more racial diversity than white preschoolers? It's a really strange claim.

Are black children attending integrated preschools, whereas white students are attending all-white preschools? Or, do black children who don't go to preschool have diverse friends and families (including lots of white and people of color members), but whites only associate with whites?
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar

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