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Post by Forty Two » Thu May 12, 2016 2:34 pm

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Maybe while he's at it he'll transparently release his tax returns, like Hillary?
Tax returns? Why?

Were you interested in the transparency of Obama releasing his college and law school records? Still haven't seen those, for some reason....
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Post by Forty Two » Thu May 12, 2016 2:36 pm

Animavore wrote:
Tyrannical wrote:http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/05 ... -easy.html

Guccifer claimed he hacked clinton email, several others did too. He may have her mail stuff hidden in the cloud still.
If true, hillary is done and headed for prison.
I don't think you can use stolen files as evidence.
As long as the police or law enforcement did not steal them, or encourage their theft, you can.
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Post by Tyrannical » Sat May 21, 2016 11:06 am

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Ummm, that's awkward :fp:
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Post by Animavore » Sat May 21, 2016 1:00 pm

Why? So what?
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Post by Hermit » Sat May 21, 2016 3:12 pm

Tyrannical wrote:Image

Ummm, that's awkward :fp:
Big deal.

I think this one's better.

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Post by piscator » Sat May 21, 2016 7:09 pm

Forty Two wrote:
piscator wrote:
Maybe while he's at it he'll transparently release his tax returns, like Hillary?
Tax returns? Why?

To see what he's trying to hide. To catch a glimpse of the depth and breadth of his chicanery. To cost him the Election when he doesn't.

We already know he's a liar. Why do you want that hidden?


Were you interested in the transparency of Obama releasing his college and law school records? Still haven't seen those, for some reason....

But we did see his taxes. Even Mittens finally released a few years of taxes, in September or October, but by then it was too late. The damage to his integrity was already done.

Hillary has released her taxes from the last 7 years. Why won't Trump?

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Trump once revealed his income tax returns. They showed he..

Post by piscator » Sat May 21, 2016 9:45 pm

...Didn't Pay A Cent
The last time information from Donald Trump’s income-tax returns was made public, the bottom line was striking: He had paid the federal government $0 in income taxes.

The disclosure, in a 1981 report by New Jersey gambling regulators, revealed that the wealthy Manhattan investor had for at least two years in the late 1970s taken advantage of a tax-code provision popular with developers that allowed him to report negative income.

Today, as the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, Trump regularly denounces corporate executives for using loopholes and “false deductions” to “get away with murder” when it comes to avoiding taxes.

“They make a fortune. They pay no tax,” Trump said last year on CBS. “It’s ridiculous, okay?”

...


Trump’s personal taxes are a mystery. He has refused to release any recent returns, meaning the public cannot see how much money he makes, how much he gives to charity and how aggressively he uses deductions, shelters and other tactics to shrink his tax bill.

Trump, who said last week on ABC that his tax rate is “none of your business,” would be the first major-party nominee in 40 years to not release his returns.

In an interview this week, Trump said that he has paid “substantial” taxes but declined to provide specifics.

He reiterated that he fights “very hard to pay as little tax as possible.”

“One of the reasons is because the government takes your money and wastes it in the Middle East and all over the place,” he said.

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Trump’s contradictory approaches have been apparent for years.

He criticized 2012 Republican nominee Mitt Romney for delaying the release of his returns. Romney, a former private-equity executive, had come under fire for paying a low tax rate because most of his income came from investments.

“It’s a great thing when you can show that you’ve been successful and that you’ve made a lot of money,” Trump said at the time.

Romney eventually released returns showing that, for his 2011 taxes, he chose not to take certain deductions, bringing his tax rate more in line with that of average Americans.

Trump, early in his campaign, seemed ready to give voters a look at his tax filings.

In January, he said on NBC’s “Meet the Press” that he was ready to disclose his “very big . . . very beautiful” returns.

But as his campaign gained momentum, Trump backed away from his declaration. He first claimed that ongoing audits by the Internal Revenue Service prevent disclosure.

Then last week, he told the Associated Press that voters are not interested in seeing his tax filings and that “there’s nothing to learn from them.”

[Fact Checker: Trump’s false claim that ‘there’s nothing to learn’ from his tax returns]

Trump’s new position has unnerved some tax experts, who see value in the tradition of transparency by presidential contenders.

“At some point, he could be the tax collector in chief. He’d supervise the IRS, making sure all of us live up to our own tax responsibilities,” said Joe Thorndike, a director at Tax Analysts, a nonpartisan, nonprofit group that specializes in tax policy. “People deserve to know . . . how a person like that plays the game.”

Trump’s stance has become an issue in the campaign.

Romney said on Facebook last week that refusing to release tax returns should be “disqualifying” for any nominee and speculated that Trump’s returns could be hiding a “bombshell of unusual size.” Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) weighed in this week, telling reporters that Trump will “have to make that decision himself” but that presidential candidates’ releasing their returns has “certainly been the pattern for quite some time.”

[Mitt Romney believes ‘there’s a bombshell in Donald Trump’s taxes’]

Trump’s likely Democratic opponent, Hillary Clinton, who has disclosed decades of tax returns, released a 60-second ad last week asking, “What’s Donald Trump hiding?”

“You’ve got to ask yourself: ‘Why doesn’t he want to release it?’ ” Clinton said at a New Jersey rally last week. “Yeah, well, we’re gonna find out.”

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Post by laklak » Sat May 21, 2016 10:04 pm

If I were The Donald I'd say "none of anyone's business" and just bluff it out. How's it going to hurt him? They used to say "Teflon Willie", but Bill had nothing on this guy.

Actually, in Billy Jeff's case it wasn't so much of what stuck to him, but what bits of him stuck to somebody else. But the point stands.
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Post by piscator » Sun May 22, 2016 1:27 am

But it is our business. The motherfucker's trying to be head of the IRS and the rest of the taxpayer-funded Executive Branch, and he ain't ever paid a nickle in taxes in his fucking life.

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Post by Tyrannical » Sun May 22, 2016 11:12 am

35 years ago......
I'm guessing, and this was long before value added taxes were ever passed, that he spent lots of money over a few years building a building. Negative income while building, positive when actually completed.

We all know trump gets his money through tv and his hotels and resorts. I'm far more interested in who the clinton foundation is accepting bribes, err, donations from lol
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Post by piscator » Sun May 22, 2016 5:51 pm

Tyrannical wrote: I'm guessing

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Post by pErvinalia » Mon May 23, 2016 12:49 am

I think the tax return thing is just a distraction. It's really no one's business what's in someone else's tax return. It's just a tawdry stunt like the all the birther nonsense. Concentrate on policies.
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Post by piscator » Mon May 23, 2016 2:55 am

I had to turn over 3 year's returns to the GSA become a US government contractor. I had to do the same to contract to the AKRR because they are regulated by the FRRA.
I've also had my credit reports pulled by prospective clients, insurance, and bonding companies, to determine my ability to enter contracts and assume liabilities.


No, it's not out of line to ask a prospective POTUS to show us his tax returns. If Trump didn't have anything to hide, he would have already come clean.

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Post by Tyrannical » Mon May 23, 2016 3:12 am

He's been tax audited the last ten years, so he is paying what he's supposed to.
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Post by piscator » Mon May 23, 2016 8:18 am

So, how Hillary makes her $$ is important, but not Trump?

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