Stephen Fry Attacks Victims of Child Sex Abuse

[rainbow]

Left alone, the free market takes care of consumer issues all by itself, as a part of the natural process of weeding out the inferior products through the billions of individual market transactions taking place every day, which no central planner can possibly match or predict.

Naturally the butcher who produces sausages full of botulinum, will go out of business as all his customers would die. He has made no claim and has put no label on them stating that they are safe to eat, or even for human consumption - so you can't claim fraud.

Libertarianism works well on this example.

[Seth]

What if you're triggered by trigger warnings? What then?

The only trigger warning I issue is racking the slide. If you hear that then my finger is most definitely on the fucking trigger.

Er, the slide should already be racked, with a round in the chamber. Racking anything is giving away your position, which can be a fatal (movie typical) mistake.

If you have the legal authority to shoot someone in self-defense there is NOTHING in the law that says you have to give them any warning at all or shoot them from the front in a "quick draw" contest of some sort.

The only sound produced by me if I have to shoot and kill someone is the click of the sear releasing, which is generally covered by the expulsion of hot expanding gasses from the muzzle of the weapon.

The only "trigger warning" issued on my behalf in such an instance is the statute that authorizes me to use deadly physical force.

[Cunt]

The only "trigger warning" issued on my behalf in such an instance is the statute that authorizes me to use deadly physical force.

Sounds like a good neighbour policy.

Also like some of the prospectors who work the north. There are a lot of places up here where there is no cop on the corner. Nor corner, either.

Bodies are usually found, I think.

[Seth]

Food for thought, Seth. What should a country do when it is already rolling, with laws and taxes agreed upon by dead predecessors, and a new arrival refuses to pay their share?

Assuming that the newcomer consumes or uses something, thereby creating an obligation to pay for doing so, society has full rights to enforce such payment.

Oh, and the 1% of wealthiest might have gotten that by exploiting the resources of the country.

If the resources were made available to all (which all publicly-owned resources in the US are) for exploitation, who cares? If the resources are privately owned, it's nobody's business other than the owner's what he does with his property, provided he exports no harm and initiates neither force nor fraud.

This might affect what share they should pay. I can't argue with your numbers, I have none of my own, but I do know that welfare is paid in a disgustingly inadequate trickle to poor people, and giant piles the size of early North American land grants to big business.

Could it be that distributing those resources to "big business" was the only way to expand the country's economic base? The railroads were granted fee-title ownership of their rights-of-way, and, in the West, a checkerboard pattern of square-mile lands adjacent to their tracks as compensation for their costs of building the trans-continental railways, which opened the West to development and habitation.

Government could simply not afford to build those railroads, so if offered land grants to induce the railroad magnates to invest the not-inconsiderable sums required to accomplish the task. How is this unfair to anyone?

For instance, if someone gets bus routes extended so that their employees can get to work, that company is receiving welfare. They should be forced to pay enough for their employees to get around.

So what? The purpose of government is to serve the needs of the people, including workers. If workers need to get to work more efficiently at lower cost to everyone than by driving their cars it is in the best interests of the government for that service to exist. Should the businesses that benefit pay for those improvements? Yes. In Libertarian theory the government would not provide ANY tax-paid bus service nor would it levy a tax for that purpose. Rather, those who desire to have bus service would get together and set up a bus company paid for by those who benefit from the busses.

Unfortunately, the lobbying power of a tobacco picker is a bit different than the lobbying power of Disney corp.

If the picker can't get to work, then the picking does not get done and who suffers? The business owner, for one. Thus, it is in his rational self-interest to provide transportation for workers so that they can get to work and produce tobacco for him. Migrant agricultural labor is a prime example of how this works. Not only do farmers supply transportation they often supply living quarters for migrant workers adjacent to the fields for exactly that reason.

If a business builds a factory far away from the residences housing its employees, then it is obviously in the rational self-interest to make sure that employees can get to work, and in order to retain good employees, it is in the employer's rational self-interest NOT to cause burdensome expenses on workers because if the costs become too burdensome, the workers will quit and go to work for somebody else.

Companies with the highest levels of rational self-interest, like Google for example, provide many, many perks to employees just to keep them happy, productive and employed.

Government is unnecessary to this dynamic.

[Seth]

The only "trigger warning" issued on my behalf in such an instance is the statute that authorizes me to use deadly physical force.

Sounds like a good neighbour policy.

Also like some of the prospectors who work the north. There are a lot of places up here where there is no cop on the corner. Nor corner, either.

Bodies are usually found, I think.

Well, that's just laziness or stupidity at work. Shoot, shovel and shut up. Number three is the usual downfall.

[Seth]

Left alone, the free market takes care of consumer issues all by itself, as a part of the natural process of weeding out the inferior products through the billions of individual market transactions taking place every day, which no central planner can possibly match or predict.

Naturally the butcher who produces sausages full of botulinum, will go out of business as all his customers would die. He has made no claim and has put no label on them stating that they are safe to eat, or even for human consumption - so you can't claim fraud.

Libertarianism works well on this example.

Yup. Or, a few of them just get sick and word gets around and the butcher not only has no customers but is deliberately shunned and excluded from all social intercourse as punishment for anti-social activity.

[rainbow]

Left alone, the free market takes care of consumer issues all by itself, as a part of the natural process of weeding out the inferior products through the billions of individual market transactions taking place every day, which no central planner can possibly match or predict.

Naturally the butcher who produces sausages full of botulinum, will go out of business as all his customers would die. He has made no claim and has put no label on them stating that they are safe to eat, or even for human consumption - so you can't claim fraud.

Libertarianism works well on this example.

Yup. Or, a few of them just get sick and word gets around and the butcher not only has no customers but is deliberately shunned and excluded from all social intercourse as punishment for anti-social activity.

As the tobacco industry found and went out of business.

...oh wait, it didn't.

[Forty Two]

There are some things that people like to do, even though they are health hazards. Alcohol. Skydiving. Etc. Just because something poses a risk doesn't mean we make it illegal.

[Brian Peacock]

Driving, equistry, fast food, mercenary, deep sea trawlerman, disco, changing a little bulb by standing on a chair with a wonky leg, voting Republican.

[laklak]

Bearding the lion in his den, answering 'yes' when the missus asks if the dress makes her ass look fat, going to a feminist conference to find a date, it's a dangerous world out there.