Millennials: Generation Anxiety

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Re: Millennials: Generation Anxiety

Post by Forty Two » Mon Mar 21, 2016 5:41 pm

Animavore wrote:
Forty Two wrote:
Animavore wrote:
Forty Two wrote:Yes, a typo I spelled it correctly in a previous post above, though.

The typing slower thing was a joke - poking fun at you for not understanding what an epitome was.
Except I do.
Then you would need to rethink your accusation here: http://www.rationalia.com/forum/viewtop ... 6#p1647099 , since my use of an anecdote and calling it an epitome is not that.
It wasn't an accusation. It's clearly a question.
LOL, sure it was. That's why the "question" was followed by this: :funny:

It must be the question that was hilarious, and not the implication that I was suggesting the entire zeitgeist of a generation is proven by an anecdote....

O.k., then, I'll take you at your word -- if it was a question, then the answer is plainly "no, of course not. Whatever gave you that idea?"
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar

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Re: Millennials: Generation Anxiety

Post by Animavore » Mon Mar 21, 2016 5:42 pm

I doubt there's many know much about how to deal with real life when first leaving the home. Even if you have practical skills like changing a tire or lifting a cabinet, it's not going to prepare you for paying bills and taxes, or having to join the rat race, or dealing with banks, living with others who may be assholes, or simply just living alone.
My own mother, arguably, done everything for me growing up. I still had to learn it myself. Can't live with mum forever. Unless you can get a girlfriend who does everything for you, but who does that any more.
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Re: Millennials: Generation Anxiety

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“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar

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Re: Millennials: Generation Anxiety

Post by Animavore » Mon Mar 21, 2016 5:55 pm

Forty Two wrote:
Animavore wrote:
Forty Two wrote:
Animavore wrote:
Forty Two wrote:Yes, a typo I spelled it correctly in a previous post above, though.

The typing slower thing was a joke - poking fun at you for not understanding what an epitome was.
Except I do.
Then you would need to rethink your accusation here: http://www.rationalia.com/forum/viewtop ... 6#p1647099 , since my use of an anecdote and calling it an epitome is not that.
It wasn't an accusation. It's clearly a question.
LOL, sure it was. That's why the "question" was followed by this: :funny:

It must be the question that was hilarious, and not the implication that I was suggesting the entire zeitgeist of a generation is proven by an anecdote....

O.k., then, I'll take you at your word -- if it was a question, then the answer is plainly "no, of course not. Whatever gave you that idea?"
You're first line of your OP suggests we (parents of Millenials) "only have ourselves to blame". Your last paragraph ends suggesting it's no wonder these Millenials do nothing but bitch and whine. Sure, I skimmed everything in between, but when it starts as a lament and ends as an attack on this generation there was no need to conclude you were doing anything other than write a scoffing article on 'kids today' rather than just pondering.

That's "whatever gave me that idea".
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Re: Millennials: Generation Anxiety

Post by Animavore » Mon Mar 21, 2016 5:57 pm

Why wouldn't he? As far as I know nether of them would affect your insurance. Not like drinking, smoking, or working jobs considered dangerous.
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Re: Millennials: Generation Anxiety

Post by Forty Two » Mon Mar 21, 2016 6:51 pm

Animavore wrote:I doubt there's many know much about how to deal with real life when first leaving the home. Even if you have practical skills like changing a tire or lifting a cabinet, it's not going to prepare you for paying bills and taxes, or having to join the rat race, or dealing with banks, living with others who may be assholes, or simply just living alone.
My own mother, arguably, done everything for me growing up. I still had to learn it myself. Can't live with mum forever. Unless you can get a girlfriend who does everything for you, but who does that any more.
Well, there were when I went to college. We didn't see parents at student housing when I went to college, not many, anyway. Most of my friends got themselves into college, and drove themselves there, or took a train/bus. Those who hitched a ride with parents generally just wanted to be dropped off, not some sort of inspection and move-in assistance. Fuck, by 3pm on the first day, half the apartments smelled of weed and freshmen were handing each other beers as introductions.

The practical skills like changing a tire and lifting a cabinet are just examples. What is being referred to is the ability to figure this stuff out. To take care of stuff without asking. I mean, an 18 year old who needs mom to go shopping is really rather embarrassing.

By the time a person gets out of high school "paying bills" should be a skill learned, like operating a dishwasher and a washing machine. A parent should oversea a teenager's saving for purchases, opening a bank account, that sort of thing.

The idea of an 18 year old going off to college oblivious of how to deal with people who may be assholes seems rather bizarre to me. But, I realize it's becoming more and more the norm, if it's not already the norm.

I mean, nowadays, you get shit like this: http://www.campusreform.org/?ID=7308
Student activists at Brown University are complaining of emotional stress and poor grades after months of protesting, and blame the school for insisting that they complete their coursework.

“There are people breaking down, dropping out of classes, and failing classes because of the activism work they are taking on,” an undergraduate student going by the pseudonym “David” told The Brown Daily Herald Thursday. “My grades dropped dramatically. My health completely changed. I lost weight. I’m on antidepressants and anti-anxiety pills right now. Counselors called me. I had deans calling me to make sure I was okay.”
I mean, what a fucking embarrassment. Just pathetic. He is enrolled in university, and he is complaining that the stress of "protesting" is kicking his ass. And, he has counselors and deans of students calling him to make sure he's o.k. Really? A grown man takes on extracurricular activities that the university has no interest in and is none of their business, really, and this grown man finds he can't handle it and his schoolwork, and somehow this is someone else's problem?

And, the big issue the guy was protesting about..... Columbus Day. He was protesting two articles published in the student newspaper -- opinion pieces -- that defended the celebration of Columbus Day. I mean, what the fuck kind of protest is that? Other students publish opinions in the free press about a holiday that has been celebrated for generations, and this is causing such distress that he's missing classes, seeing counselors and is so openly and evidently distraught that deans at the university are calling him to see if he's o.k. I mean, come on...
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar

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Re: Millennials: Generation Anxiety

Post by Forty Two » Mon Mar 21, 2016 6:54 pm

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Why wouldn't he? As far as I know nether of them would affect your insurance. Not like drinking, smoking, or working jobs considered dangerous.
Well, if you're Millennial, then I suppose "why wouldn't he?" would be the obvious question to you, and the answer would elude you. :tut:
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Re: Millennials: Generation Anxiety

Post by Forty Two » Mon Mar 21, 2016 6:56 pm

Animavore wrote: You're first line of your OP suggests we (parents of Millenials) "only have ourselves to blame". Your last paragraph ends suggesting it's no wonder these Millenials do nothing but bitch and whine. Sure, I skimmed everything in between, but when it starts as a lament and ends as an attack on this generation there was no need to conclude you were doing anything other than write a scoffing article on 'kids today' rather than just pondering.

That's "whatever gave me that idea".
Well, I cited an article too, which was part of the OP, and which provided the impetus for the thread. I added my own input and examples to that information. The fact that you chose not read it completely and just assumed that I was basing a judgment of an entire demographic on a single anecdote is your problem.
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar

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Re: Millennials: Generation Anxiety

Post by laklak » Mon Mar 21, 2016 6:59 pm

Buncha fucking pussies.

Here's a picture of college age men leaving their Safe Space in June of 1944:

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Yeah well that's just, like, your opinion, man.

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Re: Millennials: Generation Anxiety

Post by Animavore » Mon Mar 21, 2016 7:23 pm

Forty Two wrote:
Animavore wrote: You're first line of your OP suggests we (parents of Millenials) "only have ourselves to blame". Your last paragraph ends suggesting it's no wonder these Millenials do nothing but bitch and whine. Sure, I skimmed everything in between, but when it starts as a lament and ends as an attack on this generation there was no need to conclude you were doing anything other than write a scoffing article on 'kids today' rather than just pondering.

That's "whatever gave me that idea".
Well, I cited an article too, which was part of the OP, and which provided the impetus for the thread. I added my own input and examples to that information. The fact that you chose not read it completely and just assumed that I was basing a judgment of an entire demographic on a single anecdote is your problem.
The article doesn't make the case that Milennenials are the way they are because of the way their parents treat them though. It starts off saying that this is the assumption, but then tries refute that citing other causes of anxiety. So you only added input based on examples of the type of stereotype the article argues against.
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Re: Millennials: Generation Anxiety

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Well, there were when I went to college. We didn't see parents at student housing when I went to college, not many, anyway. Most of my friends got themselves into college, and drove themselves there, or took a train/bus. Those who hitched a ride with parents generally just wanted to be dropped off, not some sort of inspection and move-in assistance. Fuck, by 3pm on the first day, half the apartments smelled of weed and freshmen were handing each other beers as introductions.
We don't see many parents at student housing these days either. Most kids nowadays do get a bus or train to college. Most wouldn't be caught dead having their parents inspect the place. Kids still smoke weed and drink (though I don't think that would be an altogether bad thing if they weren't) and party. I don't know why you think anything has changed there because of this one guy.
Forty Two wrote: The practical skills like changing a tire and lifting a cabinet are just examples. What is being referred to is the ability to figure this stuff out. To take care of stuff without asking. I mean, an 18 year old who needs mom to go shopping is really rather embarrassing.
Sure, but I highly doubt this is the case for a significant number of 18 year-olds.
Forty Two wrote: By the time a person gets out of high school "paying bills" should be a skill learned, like operating a dishwasher and a washing machine. A parent should oversea a teenager's saving for purchases, opening a bank account, that sort of thing.
No way. I wouldn't have wanted my mother near me opening a bank account or know anything about my financial dealings as a teen. I didn't even tell her what I was earning at work. She certainly would never discuss her dealings.
Forty Two wrote: The idea of an 18 year old going off to college oblivious of how to deal with people who may be assholes seems rather bizarre to me. But, I realize it's becoming more and more the norm, if it's not already the norm.
Is it becoming more and more the norm? I'm not seeing it.
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Re: Millennials: Generation Anxiety

Post by pErvinalia » Mon Mar 21, 2016 7:42 pm

Animavore wrote:Changing a tire isn't even a skill. The first time I was asked to do one in work (I've never owned a car myself) I didn't want to look stupid by saying I didn't know how so I just took the jack and the cross wrench and just did it.
There's a good chance you did it wrong. Just sayin' ;)
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Re: Millennials: Generation Anxiety

Post by Animavore » Mon Mar 21, 2016 7:45 pm

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Animavore wrote:Changing a tire isn't even a skill. The first time I was asked to do one in work (I've never owned a car myself) I didn't want to look stupid by saying I didn't know how so I just took the jack and the cross wrench and just did it.
There's a good chance you did it wrong. Just sayin' ;)
How so? You lift that car. Take off the bolts. Change the tire. Bolt it back up. Lower.
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Re: Millennials: Generation Anxiety

Post by Animavore » Mon Mar 21, 2016 7:52 pm

Some of the comments on that article are just stupid. One blames atheism for Millennials. Another comes straight in saying that kids now are "pussies and wimps". Which is funny, cause they said that about the hippies.

That kids are alright. They'll be alright. As much as old codgers are bemoaning the youth of today being different to their day, the youth are looking back remarking on how utterly clueless the old folk seem. And so the cycle continues.
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Re: Millennials: Generation Anxiety

Post by Forty Two » Mon Mar 21, 2016 7:59 pm

Animavore wrote:
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Well, there were when I went to college. We didn't see parents at student housing when I went to college, not many, anyway. Most of my friends got themselves into college, and drove themselves there, or took a train/bus. Those who hitched a ride with parents generally just wanted to be dropped off, not some sort of inspection and move-in assistance. Fuck, by 3pm on the first day, half the apartments smelled of weed and freshmen were handing each other beers as introductions.
We don't see many parents at student housing these days either. Most kids nowadays do get a bus or train to college. Most wouldn't be caught dead having their parents inspect the place. Kids still smoke weed and drink (though I don't think that would be an altogether bad thing if they weren't) and party. I don't know why you think anything has changed there because of this one guy.
It's not because of one guy. It's the entire climate and zeitgeist of college campuses that is being reported in the news, and articles like the one in the OP about Millennials.
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Forty Two wrote: The practical skills like changing a tire and lifting a cabinet are just examples. What is being referred to is the ability to figure this stuff out. To take care of stuff without asking. I mean, an 18 year old who needs mom to go shopping is really rather embarrassing.
Sure, but I highly doubt this is the case for a significant number of 18 year-olds.
I hope you're right, but I'm not so sure.
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Forty Two wrote: By the time a person gets out of high school "paying bills" should be a skill learned, like operating a dishwasher and a washing machine. A parent should oversea a teenager's saving for purchases, opening a bank account, that sort of thing.
No way. I wouldn't have wanted my mother near me opening a bank account or know anything about my financial dealings as a teen. I didn't even tell her what I was earning at work. She certainly would never discuss her dealings.
When you were 13 or 14 years old your mom wouldn't help you open a bank account? I don't think you can open one at that age without a parent or guardian. So, that's what I'm talking about. Guidance from a parent. But, if you were independent enough as a high schooler to handle your finances and savings, then you likely wouldn't need hand-holding at college.
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Forty Two wrote: The idea of an 18 year old going off to college oblivious of how to deal with people who may be assholes seems rather bizarre to me. But, I realize it's becoming more and more the norm, if it's not already the norm.
Is it becoming more and more the norm? I'm not seeing it.
If you look at the article after article of people crying and moaning in college, it does seem to be the norm. Look at the article I posted about the Brown University students who claim to be suffering from anxiety issues over being required to handle his coursework in addition to their protests about newspaper opinions published in favor of celebrating Columbus Day.

How about the students yelling and bursting into tears at Yale University and protesting by the 1000s, because other students had an "offensive" (supposedly) Halloween Party.

I can list example, after example, after example.

They're reporting teachers -- like the University of Kansas teacher who was suspended for year because of the allegation that students wanted her out -- her offense -- saying that as a white person she wasn't able to understand what it's like to have the word "nigger" applied to her. She was never accused of using the word toward a person or group -- just using it, in the sense of explaining that she was not in a position to know what it's like to be called that name. A year long investigation followed.

How about the Northwestern University Professor who was hauled through an inquisition because students complained that they were offended by opinion pieces she wrote in a publication discussing what the professor felt was mishandling of sexual assault cases on college campuses?

How about the students who whinged on and on about the Cinco de Mayo party where they served drinks with mini-sombreros?

Trying to drive speakers off campus -- Bill Maher, Milo Yiannopoulos, -- shit, the other day there was a big protest against a trans speaker at a college conference, because the trans speaker had been invited by a Jewish group. The protests came from Left wing progressives....

I mean -- it's endless. The kind of shit that is in the news daily nowadays is really ridiculous.
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