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Re: GOP Primaries/Caucuses Discussions, Jokes and Prediction

Post by Forty Two » Tue Mar 08, 2016 7:10 pm

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laklak wrote:Yep. It's Trump over Cruz by a country mile.

The problem with The Donald is you don't actually know where he stands on any issue, it's all just hot air and bullshit. He could, underneath all the bluster, be a pragmatic man. Problem is we can't know that unless we elect him, and what happens if he's actually crazier than he appears?
Bingo.

But, we can elect Hillary, and just get more of the same Wall Street crony politics. She spouts the usual mantra. And, she's owned by Goldman Sachs and the gang.

Although I am no socialist, I agree with a lot of what Sanders says.
Bernie Sander's is ultimately going to be way more liberal than a crony capitalist. He's not going to be full on liberal, but if I was a liberal I'd vote for him. His policies can't be any worse than handing out massive corporate welfare and allowing predatory behaviour to occur in the financial sector (and other sectors).
I would vote for him over Cruz or Rubio. I'd give an eye to Kasich, and serious consideration perhaps.

If it's Trump v. Sanders, I don't know who I'll vote for.

If it's Trump v. Hillary, I vote Trump.

If it's Cruz v Hillary, I vote Hillary.

If it's Cruz v Sanders, i vote Sanders
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Post by Svartalf » Tue Mar 08, 2016 7:20 pm

There hasn't been a Republican I'd vote for since the 50s (the last was Ike), but seriously, even vs hillary, the trump vote is a very dangerous proposition... that guy may be more pragmatic than his bluster hints at, but he's very good at bankrupting things and at leaving otherss to pick up the pieces... he might do at US scale what Jindal has done to LA
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Post by Tero » Tue Mar 08, 2016 7:46 pm

Are you saying you get to vote?

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Post by Svartalf » Tue Mar 08, 2016 7:47 pm

I don't, but I try to think and get informed as if I did... last time I checked Canadians did not yet have voting rights in the US, even if Cruz is trying to get elected.
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Post by Tero » Tue Mar 08, 2016 9:53 pm

You could have multiple nationalities. I know at least one Finn who is American but occasionally Canadian as well.

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Post by laklak » Tue Mar 08, 2016 10:00 pm

Trump vs Bernie: Porky Pig
Trump vs Hillary: Roadrunner
Cruz vs Bernie: Yosemite Sam
Cruz vs Hillary: Homer Simpson
Rubio vs Bernie: Batman
Rubio vs Hillary: Cartman
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Post by piscator » Tue Mar 08, 2016 10:41 pm

It's Trump v Hillary. Pretending otherwise is wishful thinking.

Maybe Bloomberg will split the Republican vote. But I doubt he'll play well in Peoria, or have much pull with the sub-100 Trump base.

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Post by pErvinalia » Wed Mar 09, 2016 12:59 am

Just saw a report saying that Mittens is lodging paperwork in preparation for a run!
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Post by laklak » Wed Mar 09, 2016 3:39 am

Mittens wants a brokered convention and draft. Forlorn hope, IMO.
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Post by piscator » Wed Mar 09, 2016 4:42 am

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If it's Trump v. Hillary, I vote Trump.

Not that you vote will matter in the end, but you'd rather throw a fucking match on the country than see Hillary elected?

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Post by Animavore » Wed Mar 09, 2016 9:31 am

piscator wrote:It's Drumpf v Hillary. Pretending otherwise is wishful thinking.

Maybe Bloomberg will split the Republican vote. But I doubt he'll play well in Peoria, or have much pull with the sub-100 Drumpf base.
Bernie is destroying right now. I wouldn't be sure.
Hillary’s inevitability lie: Why the media and party elites are rushing to nominate the weakest candidate.

The nation may be divided but at least its pundits speak as one. They all say Hillary Clinton and Donald Drumpf are killing the competition. Pundits love to issue death certificates. On Super Tuesday they sounded like the coroner of Munchkin Land. (He’s not only merely dead, but really most sincerely dead!) They’re wrong. Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, John Kasich and especially Bernie Sanders are all alive and kicking. It ain’t over yet; not by a long shot.

If Clinton and Drumpf win their conventions, it’ll be the first time both parties nominated their weakest candidate. Drumpf is the one Republican almost any Democrat can beat; Hillary the one Democrat Drumpf can beat. The response of the party establishments is instructive. Republicans engage in a mad scramble to stop Drumpf while Democrats do all they can to help Hillary seal the deal.

Fear of Drumpf unites Republican elites as nothing but hatred for Obama ever did; Senate leadership with House rank and file; libertarians with militarists and supply siders; the Kochs with Karl Rove. A few of the phonier evangelicals defected to Drumpf but most, like the pope, know a fake Christian when they see one. All the factions now join the RNC, Fox News and every corporate lobbyist in town in a late, frantic effort to turn the tide. On Tuesday, Drumpf routed them all.

Democratic elites are just as united in opposing Bernie Sanders: members of Congress, gay and abortion rights lobbies, African-American leaders, most of labor and many of the same corporate lobbyists battling Drumpf. Sanders is a reformer and an honest, decent man. Drumpf is a louche, lying fascist with the impulse control of a hyperactive four-year-old. Yet Drumpf, not Sanders, is laying waste his party. Are Democrats simply more skilled in the art of suppression? If so, who knew?

But things aren’t as they seem. Sanders is doing better and Drumpf worse than the media thinks. Each race will now shift; whether enough to stop Clinton or Drumpf depends on strategy, execution, luck and other things impossible to poll. Elites may hold on for one last round but these insurgencies threaten their long term survival. Since their survival threatens ours, that’s great news.
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Post by Forty Two » Wed Mar 09, 2016 12:22 pm

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If it's Trump v. Hillary, I vote Trump.

Not that you vote will matter in the end, but you'd rather throw a fucking match on the country than see Hillary elected?
I don't think it will be a match thrown on the country, for one, so I reject that premise.

Trump is, in many respects, despite his indelicate delivery, correct on many issues. Hillary is an insider, and we'd get more of the same corporatism and cronyism. Trump is, for example, correct when he talks about China and Japan's currency manipulations and taxes used to keep out American products (contrary to trade deals) which creates unsustainable trade deficits and causes more and more American factories to close.

HIllary is a shill for Wall Street. The thing that the "establishment" politicians don't understand is that there is a groundswell, not just among the uneducated, of opposition to them, and a loss of any confidence in them as serving the best interests of the US and being competent.

Rubio was the establishment candidate, and he is emblematic of what I'm saying. A guy who is just a professional candidate. He knows how to run a campaign, and knows how to pick talking points. But, he doesn't have worldly common sense, business acumen, or any real understanding of how the world and economic activity work.
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Post by Forty Two » Wed Mar 09, 2016 12:32 pm

So, Trump extended his lead yesterday. He took Hawaii, Michigan and Mississippi. Cruz took Idaho.

This coming Tuesday, 3/15, the Ides of March, is a really big day. Ohio and Florida chime in on that day. Trump leads in both states. Rubio is a Senator from Florida, and Kasich is Governor of Ohio. If Trump takes both states, it must be said that both Kasich and Rubio are toast. Ohio and Florida are "winner take all" delegates, so two wins for Trump adds 165 delegates alone, which is 13.3% of the total needed to clinch the election. Just those two states. Illinois is "winner take most" so if Trump wins Illinois on Tuesday, then that could add, another 45 delegates to Trump, or 210 for the day.

Wyoming and Guam are on 3/12, but they are less important.
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Post by piscator » Wed Mar 09, 2016 9:02 pm

Forty Two wrote:
piscator wrote:
Forty Two wrote:
If it's Trump v. Hillary, I vote Trump.

Not that you vote will matter in the end, but you'd rather throw a fucking match on the country than see Hillary elected?
I don't think it will be a match thrown on the country, for one, so I reject that premise.
Trump=chaos
At best, he'll appoint (or try to appoint) his inexperienced yes-men to jobs they have no background for and the government bureaucracies will either run themselves, or cost even more $$.

Who's going to be Trump's VP? Chief of Staff? Secretary of State? Oh Jesus...
He's a one-man show, folks.

Trump is, in many respects, despite his indelicate delivery, correct on many issues. Hillary is an insider, and we'd get more of the same corporatism and cronyism.
She was a Senator from New York. Wall Street is in New York. That they're still friends indicates confidence. You want fucking Trump to rationalize the $$ system?


Trump is, for example, correct when he talks about China and Japan's currency manipulations and taxes used to keep out American products (contrary to trade deals) which creates unsustainable trade deficits and causes more and more American factories to close.
You're going to have to explain how that works. It sounds like those clever Asians have used corporatism to defeat the free market, and your solution is tariffs or some other form of corporatism?

HIllary is a shill for Wall Street. The thing that the "establishment" politicians don't understand is that there is a groundswell, not just among the uneducated, of opposition to them, and a loss of any confidence in them as serving the best interests of the US and being competent.
And you consider yourself a member of that "Groundswell"?
Do you have an IRA? Any other retirement savings or investments in the markets?


Rubio was the establishment candidate, and he is emblematic of what I'm saying. A guy who is just a professional candidate. He knows how to run a campaign, and knows how to pick talking points. But, he doesn't have worldly common sense, business acumen, or any real understanding of how the world and economic activity work.

Jeb Bush got more $$ from Wall Street than Hillary in 2015. Mitt Romney got more $$ from Wall St than Hillary or Obama in 2012.

"Competence"? I think you'll find Hillary Clinton is one of the most competent candidates that has come down the pike in quite a while. First in her class at high school, at Wellesley, Honors at Yale Law (top 5 at least), made Full Partner in the biggest $$ firm in the state in less than 5 years while working on the Watergate prosecution in her fucking pro bono time...she's elite by any measure, and she made herself that way before she ever met Bill and became First Lady of Arkansas then First Lady of the United States for eight years, won two elections and served as Senator of the biggest $$ state in the Union, became the 67th United States Secretary of State, and ran for President of the United States.

Moreover, Hillary Clinton didn't inherit two hundred million dollars, she made it working from home in her spare time, in the gaps of her resume of national service.

Only an idiot would try to tell me Donald Trump is better qualified for the Office of President than Hillary Clinton.


Apologies for segmenting your post, but you went on a gallop of subjectivity. Maybe that explains Trump's appeal?
Of course, Mussolini had a similar appeal, but he at least made the trains run on time...

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Post by Animavore » Thu Mar 10, 2016 11:16 am

The Case for Shutting Down the Republican Party

Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders are both left of center, but there is visible ideological distance between them regarding the scope of government. The distance between John Kasich and Ted Cruz is harder to spot. All the remaining Republican candidates want to cut taxes for the wealthy, defund Planned Parenthood, and resist minimum wage hikes. They even all agree on building a wall on the border with Mexico.

So why is the Republican Party the one that’s on the verge of cracking up?

A mere 51 percent of Republican voters would be “satisfied” if the current frontrunner Donald Drumpf is the nominee, according to a recent ABC/Washington Post poll. The numbers for Marco Rubio and Cruz are better, but not stellar: 62 percent and 65 percent, respectively. The Democrats are in stronger shape: Both Clinton and Sanders clear 70 percent.

With the Grand Old Party increasingly divided along Drumpf and anti-Drumpf lines, one camp will likely walk away from the Republican National Convention in July embittered. Either the #NeverTrump faction will follow through on its pledge to abandon the party nominee, or Drumpf’s loyal fans will rage at how the Republican establishment stole the nomination from their insurgent leader and take a pledge of their own.

...

Republicans responded to the failure of the Bush presidency with childish shenanigans instead of adult responsibility. Instead of developing new ideas that proved they learned the lessons of the recent past, they regurgitated the slogans of the Reagan-Bush era. Instead of working constructively with President Obama to show that they could still govern, they made maximum obstructionism their hallmark. They told themselves their midterm election victories meant they didn’t need to change, instead of chalking them up to the usual pendulum swings that cut against the president’s party.

Letting the unruly base call the shots, Republicans allowed their party to atrophy intellectually. But the rub was that Republicans found they could not oppose Obama enough to satisfy the grassroots. As conservative radio host Erick Erickson put it, “The Republican Party created Donald Drumpf, because they made a lot of promises to their base and never kept them.” Or in Senator Lindsey Graham’s words, thanks to people like Erickson and Ted Cruz, “most people in the party believe that the reason we don’t repeal Obamacare is because of me and Mitch McConnell.”
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