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Re: Why creationists can laugh at atheist feminists?

Post by Forty Two » Sun Jan 31, 2016 11:31 am

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I support equal opportunities for women But I am definitely not a feminist
I support equal opportunities for women too so I am definitely a feminist
Good for you.

"Feminist, Communism, and Socialism are one in the same, and socialist communist government is the goal of feminism." Catharine Mackinnon, Toward a Feminist Theory of the State, p 10. She's, apparently, not a real feminist, not one to be listened to on the issue of what feminism as a movement is. Gloria Steinem, another outlier, unrepresentative of what feminism is, lauded Mackinnon's book as exposing and correcting the patriarchal landscape. Kate Smurthwaite, a prominent modern feminist, thinks men who post antifeminist commentary on the internet should be arrested and jailed.

Many feminists often seek women only spaces, and actively oppose the creation of abuse shelters for men. They actively oppose efforts to address the high male suicide rate, etc. Many feminists have opposed campus men's centers at college even when there already is a campus women's center (see Simon Fraser University). And, feminists opposed the creation of International Men's Day. Equality?

Many feminists claim it is impossible for females to be sexist at all. That's not about "equal opportunity" is it?
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Re: Why creationists can laugh at atheist feminists?

Post by Hermit » Sun Jan 31, 2016 12:07 pm

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Forty Two wrote:Right, but it's like saying "I define myself as religious - someone who believes in God." That's an overlapping Venn diagram there, and not everyone who believes in God is religious and not everyone who is religious believes in god. Same thing with their poll re feminism.
There is no overlap In "I define myself as a feminist - someone who advocates and supports equal opportunities for women" implied. The operative part of the statement is "I define myself as a feminist". the bit following the dash goes on to define feminism as "someone who advocates and supports equal opportunities for women". It is true that you can advocate and support equal opportunities for women without defining yourself as a feminist, and if you and Dave are to be believed, a sizeable portion of people calling themselves feminists do not support equal opportunities for women, but if the statement was aiming at that, the dash would have to be replaced by an "or". So, no overlap in the statement. Get back to me venn you haff understood.
Oh, absolutely there is. Hardly any feminists limit the definition of feminism to "equal opportunity."
Looks as though you skipped past this post, in which I summarised where you are right and where you are wrong.
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Re: Why creationists can laugh at atheist feminists?

Post by DaveDodo007 » Mon Feb 01, 2016 1:32 am

Yay, another feminist who is a rape apologist and a sexuaul assault apologist.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... entre.html

Reality motherfuckers: Taharrush Gamea.



Seriously you feminists are full of shit, you don't care about women's safety or they should be free of rape and sexual assault. You are just virtue signaling to your own special snowflakes and are utter cunts.

Fuck you and your retarded ideology, nobody should suffer because of you regressive lefties and your sick and evil stupidity. Fuck you and fuck you forever. It is just a pity that there isn't a hell for you sick and evil twats to go to, you are monsters one and all and fuck you.
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Re: Why creationists can laugh at atheist feminists?

Post by pErvinalia » Mon Feb 01, 2016 1:43 am

Tell us what you really think, Dave.. :hehe:
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Re: Why creationists can laugh at atheist feminists?

Post by DaveDodo007 » Mon Feb 01, 2016 2:20 pm

To nobodies surprise.

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Re: Why creationists can laugh at atheist feminists?

Post by pErvinalia » Mon Feb 01, 2016 2:37 pm

That you posted a retarded meme? :think:
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Re: Why creationists can laugh at atheist feminists?

Post by laklak » Mon Feb 01, 2016 3:45 pm

Dickie's got the FTBers all aflutter. Go Dickie, Go!

http://freethoughtblogs.com/entequilaes ... the-dregs/
I know it’s hard to accept. It took me a long time to accept the fact that the man I admired, whom I’d braved crowds for and hung on to the every word of, is actually a tremendous jerk. I didn’t want to think that my hero was harmful. But he is. And the sooner the movement accepts that, the stronger we can make it by leaving him and his dawkbros on the sidelines.

Really, though, it’s okay if you don’t want to do that. We’re making our own secular movement right over here. I’m just saying that if you want to stay relevant, you will peruse the information herein, and decide accordingly.
Dawkbros. Lol. BUT - if you want to stay relevant (to, you know, like, all the really really cool kids) then you'll listen the Fuck Up, Bub, and do what you're goddamn told.

The blogger is one Dana Hunter, here's her self-penned bio:
You want to know about Dana Hunter, then, do you? I'm a science blogger, SF writer, compleat geology addict, Gnu Atheist, and owner of a - excuse me, owned by a homicidal felid.
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Re: Why creationists can laugh at atheist feminists?

Post by Forty Two » Mon Feb 01, 2016 4:31 pm

laklak wrote:Dickie's got the FTBers all aflutter. Go Dickie, Go!

http://freethoughtblogs.com/entequilaes ... the-dregs/
I know it’s hard to accept. It took me a long time to accept the fact that the man I admired, whom I’d braved crowds for and hung on to the every word of, is actually a tremendous jerk. I didn’t want to think that my hero was harmful. But he is. And the sooner the movement accepts that, the stronger we can make it by leaving him and his dawkbros on the sidelines.

Really, though, it’s okay if you don’t want to do that. We’re making our own secular movement right over here. I’m just saying that if you want to stay relevant, you will peruse the information herein, and decide accordingly.
They're just a small, extreme outlier bit of feminism. Not in any way representative of real feminists, like Richard Dawkins.
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Dawkbros. Lol. BUT - if you want to stay relevant (to, you know, like, all the really really cool kids) then you'll listen the Fuck Up, Bub, and do what you're goddamn told.

The blogger is one Dana Hunter, here's her self-penned bio:
You want to know about Dana Hunter, then, do you? I'm a science blogger, SF writer, compleat geology addict, Gnu Atheist, and owner of a - excuse me, owned by a homicidal felid.
A Gnu Atheist. Ha ha. How droll. Compleat. Ha ha. How charmingly archaic, and therefore, like, droll.
Dawkins retweeted a funny (to some people) video which compares Islamist ideology to extreme feminist ideology, while specifying that it is not representative of all or the majority of feminists, of which he counts himself. But, the video poked fun at Chanty Binks, an extreme activist who likes to disrupt meetings, pull fire alarms, and shout at people to "shut the fuck up" over and over again. That, of course, is going too far, because someone, somewhere might take the retweet of the funny video as some sort of license to harass women. What does Dawkins do? The bastard took down the retweeted video, saying that he wasn't aware that someone was claiming to have received death threats prior to the video being made, and so he thought he would delete it because he did not support death threats.

Obviously, Dawkins is a rape apologist who makes rape jokes and supports rape and wants women to be harassed. Clearly.

And, so he is no-platformed by skeptic organizations as a result, and droves of avowed feminists are up his ass about this issue, telling him how he is not fit to be a leader in the atheist movement, that he should be jettisoned from all groups and engagements, and that he is pro-harassment, rape and threats.

And, there is nothing wrong within the feminist movement these days. It's just people supporting equal opportunity for women. That's all.
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Re: Why creationists can laugh at atheist feminists?

Post by laklak » Mon Feb 01, 2016 4:53 pm

Dickie should tell them to jam it up their nether regions. Fuck skeptic conventions, more like septic conventions in my mind. These people are about as relevant to real life as somebody else's hemorrhoids. I'd say fuck them and the horse they rode in on, but the horse is so goddamn high you couldn't get to it's asshole without a cherry picker. Do you think they realize that outside their hermetically sealed little femisphere they're jokes? That's if people are aware of them at all. Once you get out of your sophomore year you have better things to do. This is my take on it and pretty much everything else:
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Re: Why creationists can laugh at atheist feminists?

Post by Forty Two » Mon Feb 01, 2016 4:56 pm

laklak wrote:Dickie should tell them to jam it up their nether regions. Fuck skeptic conventions, more like septic conventions in my mind. These people are about as relevant to real life as somebody else's hemorrhoids. I'd say fuck them and the horse they rode in on, but the horse is so goddamn high you couldn't get to it's asshole without a cherry picker. Do you think they realize that outside their hermetically sealed little femisphere they're jokes? That's if people are aware of them at all. Once you get out of your sophomore year you have better things to do. This is my take on it and pretty much everything else:
Rev? Are you in agreement -- the folks on FTB and at the various skeptic groups bitching about Dawkins on this issue are jokes? Are they relevant to real feminism or are these folks outlying extremists who ought not be mentioned when discussing feminism?
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Re: Why creationists can laugh at atheist feminists?

Post by JimC » Mon Feb 01, 2016 8:18 pm

Forty Two wrote:
laklak wrote:Dickie should tell them to jam it up their nether regions. Fuck skeptic conventions, more like septic conventions in my mind. These people are about as relevant to real life as somebody else's hemorrhoids. I'd say fuck them and the horse they rode in on, but the horse is so goddamn high you couldn't get to it's asshole without a cherry picker. Do you think they realize that outside their hermetically sealed little femisphere they're jokes? That's if people are aware of them at all. Once you get out of your sophomore year you have better things to do. This is my take on it and pretty much everything else:
Rev? Are you in agreement -- the folks on FTB and at the various skeptic groups bitching about Dawkins on this issue are jokes? Are they relevant to real feminism or are these folks outlying extremists who ought not be mentioned when discussing feminism?
They can be viewed as outlying extremists who should be mentioned in the context of feminism as part of the story, and in need of a robust critique, but not endlessly used as exemplars of all feminists...
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Re: Why creationists can laugh at atheist feminists?

Post by laklak » Mon Feb 01, 2016 8:56 pm

They certainly seem to see themselves as exemplars of feminism, anyone who disagrees isn't relevant, consigned to the trash heap of history. You're either with us or against us, comrade, and you'd better keep current or it's the Gulag of Brodom for you.
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Re: Why creationists can laugh at atheist feminists?

Post by Brian Peacock » Mon Feb 01, 2016 9:38 pm

Forty Two wrote:
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Forty Two wrote:Right, but it's like saying "I define myself as religious - someone who believes in God." That's an overlapping Venn diagram there, and not everyone who believes in God is religious and not everyone who is religious believes in god. Same thing with their poll re feminism.
There is no overlap In "I define myself as a feminist - someone who advocates and supports equal opportunities for women" implied. The operative part of the statement is "I define myself as a feminist". the bit following the dash goes on to define feminism as "someone who advocates and supports equal opportunities for women". It is true that you can advocate and support equal opportunities for women without defining yourself as a feminist, and if you and Dave are to be believed, a sizeable portion of people calling themselves feminists do not support equal opportunities for women, but if the statement was aiming at that, the dash would have to be replaced by an "or". So, no overlap in the statement. Get back to me venn you haff understood.

Oh, absolutely there is. Hardly any feminists limit the definition of feminism to "equal opportunity." Even where there is equal opportunity, there can and very often is unequal distribution of males and females and that unequal distribution is often itself the subject of feminist activism.

For example, the famous video where feminists shut down a men's conference which was quietly discussing male suicide, by pulling the fire alarm. They weren't advocating for equal opportunities there. And, the professor who makes it her university policy to have women speak first in classrooms and at conferences. That's not equal opportunity. That kind of thing is very common.
I see no problem with self-declaring as feminist in relation to equal rights for women, an egalitarian or meritocrat in relation to equality of opportunity for all, a suffragist in relation to voting rights, a Pink Panther in relation to equal rights for LGBTs, or a neo-Chartist or Secularist in relation to constitutional and democratic reform. The problem here is that 'feminism' is being held up as a generic type, a pinata for personal frustration, thus the endless, "Feminists are all... etc..." and "No true Feminist..." nonsense.
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Re: Why creationists can laugh at atheist feminists?

Post by JimC » Mon Feb 01, 2016 10:44 pm

laklak wrote:They certainly seem to see themselves as exemplars of feminism, anyone who disagrees isn't relevant, consigned to the trash heap of history. You're either with us or against us, comrade, and you'd better keep current or it's the Gulag of Brodom for you.
The fact that they do see themselves as exemplars of feminism is quite unimportant, given that they are bat-shit crazy... :tea:
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Re: Why creationists can laugh at atheist feminists?

Post by DaveDodo007 » Mon Feb 01, 2016 10:49 pm

laklak wrote:They certainly seem to see themselves as exemplars of feminism, anyone who disagrees isn't relevant, consigned to the trash heap of history. You're either with us or against us, comrade, and you'd better keep current or it's the Gulag of Brodom for you.
They certainly have no problem telling Richard Dawkins and Christina Hoff Sommers that they aren't real feminists but the man haters get a free pass. :ask:
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