Women Who Do Housework Should be Paid For It.

[Forty Two]

Lol. You gotta hand it to Lil' Kim, he doesn't fuck around.

My daughter just got a new health insurance policy, she pays $96 a month for it. It's a "Silver" plan, so it's pretty good, but not top tier. She's single and makes about $36K a year, so she ain't rich but she's certainly not poverty stricken.

I think that's pretty civilized.

No no, Lak, the only civilized way is for the citizens not to know how much they pay for it, but rather increase taxes to the general fund and then have the government pay for whatever is covered. Then pretend that everything is covered, because non-covered procedures are just rendered not available. That's the civilized way.

[pErvinalia]

Well, you don't see any North Koreans worrying about trigger warnings or microaggressions.

Unless it comes from their micropenised dear leader...

[pErvinalia]

S'truth, no place in the U.S. will pay someone indefinitely not to work. I don't have a problem with that.

That's simply uncivilised. Particularly when the number of job seekers outweigh the number of job vacancies.

LOL. Which are the civilized countries in this regard? Should we look to the Scandinavian countries? Or are they uncivilized?

Rev Logic -- "My country does it this way! If your country doesn't do it the same way, then you're uncivilized! Except where your country is better off, then it doesn't matter...."

I've been over this all ready. Your own link shows that most western countries have indefinite unemployment benefit.

It's definitionally uncivilised if you are punishing someone for something that isn't their fault (being unemployed in a system that has less job vacancies than job seekers).

[pErvinalia]

Non-sequitur. Coito was claiming that everyone can get free care in the US. That's obviously not the case if you have medical bankruptcies.

If you're referring to me, Forty Two, I never claimed that "everyone" can get free care in the US. Why in the world would "everyone" get free care?

Everyone can't get free food in Australia, can you? Barbaric! How can food not be free to EVERYONE!

In the US everyone is legally required to have health insurance. Period. That's the law. If you don't have health insurance, you are in violation of federal law.

People generally get health insurance with their jobs in the US -- like 80 something percent of the population is covered through employer provided health plans. Of those who are not covered that way, they have to buy a health plan. Instead of taxing people for it, and then providing it by the government, people have to figure out an insurance policy by buying one. The law says, however, that depending on your income you can get subsidized health insurance.

People with little or no income can get Medicaid, and people with lower incomes who don't qualify for Medicaid can get dirt cheap insurance -- but, they have incomes, so they pay SOMETHING toward their insurance. Those with zero income or very low incomes, however, are eligible for free insurance and/or Medicaid.

Children are always entitled to free health insurance under SCHIP.

God, you are tiresome and dishonest.

Don't be disingenuous. I didn't mean literally everyone gets it free (although, everyone can get free care here in Australia and the UK (and probably most of the other Western countries) if they want), and my point to Seth wasn't premised on that assertion. I meant everyone can get it for free if they need it (i.e they are too poor to pay for it themselves, which is what you claimed in your post). That was the point about medical bankruptcies. How can they happen if it's possible for people to get free care if they are unable to afford it?!?

[rainbow]

They report for work at 9 am and end work at 5pm and in return they get breakfast, lunch and dinner and a cot in a Sheriff Joe tent city constructed from surplus US military tentage, a shower twice a week and a government-issued set of coveralls that they turn in twice a week for clean ones, a pair of socks and military surplus boots.

...a system that works well in North Korea.

They are free to emigrate there if they like.

...so are you, if you think this system is so wonderful.

If you're going to troll at least be consistent.

[Forty Two]

Non-sequitur. Coito was claiming that everyone can get free care in the US. That's obviously not the case if you have medical bankruptcies.

If you're referring to me, Forty Two, I never claimed that "everyone" can get free care in the US. Why in the world would "everyone" get free care?

Everyone can't get free food in Australia, can you? Barbaric! How can food not be free to EVERYONE!

In the US everyone is legally required to have health insurance. Period. That's the law. If you don't have health insurance, you are in violation of federal law.

People generally get health insurance with their jobs in the US -- like 80 something percent of the population is covered through employer provided health plans. Of those who are not covered that way, they have to buy a health plan. Instead of taxing people for it, and then providing it by the government, people have to figure out an insurance policy by buying one. The law says, however, that depending on your income you can get subsidized health insurance.

People with little or no income can get Medicaid, and people with lower incomes who don't qualify for Medicaid can get dirt cheap insurance -- but, they have incomes, so they pay SOMETHING toward their insurance. Those with zero income or very low incomes, however, are eligible for free insurance and/or Medicaid.

Children are always entitled to free health insurance under SCHIP.

God, you are tiresome and dishonest.

Don't be disingenuous. I didn't mean literally everyone gets it free (although, everyone can get free care here in Australia and the UK (and probably most of the other Western countries) if they want), and my point to Seth wasn't premised on that assertion. I meant everyone can get it for free if they need it (i.e they are too poor to pay for it themselves, which is what you claimed in your post). That was the point about medical bankruptcies. How can they happen if it's possible for people to get free care if they are unable to afford it?!?

Because many people who could afford the insurance - like 20-somethings who made $50,000 per year and up -- chose not to get insurance (when it was voluntary). Since 2010, having insurance is mandatory. Every American must be covered. If you can't afford it, then you get it free or heavily subsidized. However, if you're like me, you have to buy it and you don't get any subsidy. Naturally, if I violate the law and save my money instead of buying the required insurance, I can't expect to get it for free. Then I might have medical expenses that could turn me belly up. But, that ain't because I "can't afford it."

[Seth]

That was the point about medical bankruptcies. How can they happen if it's possible for people to get free care if they are unable to afford it?!?

Um, they get the care. That they are expected to pay for it is hardly unusual, and if they can't pay for it then they get to discharge that debt (and all the other ones they have by the way) by declaring bankruptcy, which leaves them with no debt and pretty much everything they actually need to get by like a modest car, a place to live, clothing and personal effects.

Why on earth should we allow someone with substantial financial assets to get free healthcare, refuse to pay for it and still get to keep their financial assets? That's an initiation of fraud on the public.

Bankruptcy is not what you seem to think it is. We no longer throw people out into the street naked and bereft of all goods, as they used to do in England. We free them of their unpayable obligations at most once every seven years in order to give them a restart in life where they can become economically successful by changing how they deal with their finances. In cases of medical bankruptcy we give them the care they need and then free them of that debt, but in doing so we do not allow them to squirrel away money that they should have used to pay their just debts.

There's no such thing as a free lunch and the quid pro quo for providing you with the finest health care on the planet is that you have to pay for it to the best of your ability, but if you legitimately cannot do so, we give you an option for having that debt discharged once every seven years.

It's actually easier to get credit after declaring bankruptcy because you can only do it once every seven years, so credit companies CAN come in and repossess everything you own if you bury yourself in debt again during that period.

[Seth]

...although, everyone can get free care here in Australia and the UK...

Your mental incapacity to understand the simple economic fact that nobody ever gets anything "free," much less do they get medical "free care" is truly astonishing.

Every sticking plaster and aspirin you get from the public health service gets paid for by someone, or more properly many someones, all of whom are dunned for your medical expenses occasioned by your own choices about your lifestyle with payment coerced at the barrel of a machine gun if they refuse to pony-up.

Fucking Marxist useful idiots...they have had (among many other attributes of rational human beings) basic math skills and any sense of economic reality genetically bred out of them by generations of dependent-class procreation that makes them increasingly stupid with every ejaculation.

And we let the stupid fuckers vote...which makes us almost as stupid as they are. What a ridiculous situation.

[pErvinalia]

Non-sequitur. Coito was claiming that everyone can get free care in the US. That's obviously not the case if you have medical bankruptcies.

If you're referring to me, Forty Two, I never claimed that "everyone" can get free care in the US. Why in the world would "everyone" get free care?

Everyone can't get free food in Australia, can you? Barbaric! How can food not be free to EVERYONE!

In the US everyone is legally required to have health insurance. Period. That's the law. If you don't have health insurance, you are in violation of federal law.

People generally get health insurance with their jobs in the US -- like 80 something percent of the population is covered through employer provided health plans. Of those who are not covered that way, they have to buy a health plan. Instead of taxing people for it, and then providing it by the government, people have to figure out an insurance policy by buying one. The law says, however, that depending on your income you can get subsidized health insurance.

People with little or no income can get Medicaid, and people with lower incomes who don't qualify for Medicaid can get dirt cheap insurance -- but, they have incomes, so they pay SOMETHING toward their insurance. Those with zero income or very low incomes, however, are eligible for free insurance and/or Medicaid.

Children are always entitled to free health insurance under SCHIP.

God, you are tiresome and dishonest.

Don't be disingenuous. I didn't mean literally everyone gets it free (although, everyone can get free care here in Australia and the UK (and probably most of the other Western countries) if they want), and my point to Seth wasn't premised on that assertion. I meant everyone can get it for free if they need it (i.e they are too poor to pay for it themselves, which is what you claimed in your post). That was the point about medical bankruptcies. How can they happen if it's possible for people to get free care if they are unable to afford it?!?

Because many people who could afford the insurance - like 20-somethings who made $50,000 per year and up -- chose not to get insurance (when it was voluntary). Since 2010, having insurance is mandatory. Every American must be covered. If you can't afford it, then you get it free or heavily subsidized. However, if you're like me, you have to buy it and you don't get any subsidy. Naturally, if I violate the law and save my money instead of buying the required insurance, I can't expect to get it for free. Then I might have medical expenses that could turn me belly up. But, that ain't because I "can't afford it."

So before 2010 you couldn't get free healthcare? Well, at least you've corrected that since then. Now, what about preventative GP care? Can poor people get free GP visits?

[pErvinalia]

That was the point about medical bankruptcies. How can they happen if it's possible for people to get free care if they are unable to afford it?!?

Um, they get the care. That they are expected to pay for it is hardly unusual, and if they can't pay for it then they get to discharge that debt (and all the other ones they have by the way) by declaring bankruptcy, which leaves them with no debt and pretty much everything they actually need to get by like a modest car, a place to live, clothing and personal effects.

Is it too much to ask that you could follow the actual thread??

[Seth]

That was the point about medical bankruptcies. How can they happen if it's possible for people to get free care if they are unable to afford it?!?

Um, they get the care. That they are expected to pay for it is hardly unusual, and if they can't pay for it then they get to discharge that debt (and all the other ones they have by the way) by declaring bankruptcy, which leaves them with no debt and pretty much everything they actually need to get by like a modest car, a place to live, clothing and personal effects.

Is it too much to ask that you could follow the actual thread??

Is it too much to ask that you pull your head out of your ass and try to comprehend what the thread is actually about?

[pErvinalia]

...although, everyone can get free care here in Australia and the UK...

Your mental incapacity to understand the simple economic fact that nobody ever gets anything "free," much less do they get medical "free care" is truly astonishing.

What's truly astonishing is that you keep raising this retarded strawman. "Free health care" means FREE AT THE POINT OF SERVICE. Do we need to tell you this another hundred times? Didn't the first 100 times have any impact??

[pErvinalia]

That was the point about medical bankruptcies. How can they happen if it's possible for people to get free care if they are unable to afford it?!?

Um, they get the care. That they are expected to pay for it is hardly unusual, and if they can't pay for it then they get to discharge that debt (and all the other ones they have by the way) by declaring bankruptcy, which leaves them with no debt and pretty much everything they actually need to get by like a modest car, a place to live, clothing and personal effects.

Is it too much to ask that you could follow the actual thread??

Is it too much to ask that you pull your head out of your ass and try to comprehend what the thread is actually about?

I'm going to say it one more time for you slowly... Coito said: Poor. people. get. free. healthcare.

[Seth]

That was the point about medical bankruptcies. How can they happen if it's possible for people to get free care if they are unable to afford it?!?

Um, they get the care. That they are expected to pay for it is hardly unusual, and if they can't pay for it then they get to discharge that debt (and all the other ones they have by the way) by declaring bankruptcy, which leaves them with no debt and pretty much everything they actually need to get by like a modest car, a place to live, clothing and personal effects.

Is it too much to ask that you could follow the actual thread??

Is it too much to ask that you pull your head out of your ass and try to comprehend what the thread is actually about?

I'm going to say it one more time for you slowly... Coito said: Poor. people. get. free. healthcare.

I'm going to say it to you one more time: Pull your head out of your ass and try to comprehend what the thread is actually about."

[pErvinalia]

The thread is about Houseworking women. The debate between Coito and I that you stuck your ignorant head into was about FREE HEALTHCARE.