Donald Trump: ISIS Manchurian Candidate

[Jason]

Trump is a globalist. He didn't get to where he is by tying his fortune to 'American' interests. For him there are only 'Trump' interests. You think he's interested whatsoever in maintaining the American economy? That's cute. If it coincides with his interests you may consider it fortunate. Normally I'd say who cares about the figurehead, what about the administration, but in the case of the world's loudest megalomaniac I think he's power crazy enough to actually try to use the power of his position - if elected.

[pErvinalia]

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: What Donald Trump and ISIS Have in Common

The terrorist campaign against American ideals is winning. Fear is rampant. Gun sales are soaring. Hate crimes are increasing. Bearded hipsters are being mistaken for Muslims. And 83 percent of voters believe a large-scale terrorist attack is likely here in the near future. Some Americans are now so afraid that they are willing to trade in the sacred beliefs that define America for some vague promises of security from the very people who are spreading the terror. “Go ahead and burn the Constitution — just don’t hurt me at the mall.” That’s how effective this terrorism is.

I’m not talking about ISIS. I’m talking about Donald Trump.

http://time.com/4143003/kareem-abdul-ja ... rump-isis/

What "sacred beliefs" is this fucknut referring to, pray tell? There is no "sacred belief" that all religions are equal and equally harmful (or beneficial) to society and that therefore any behavior by anyone that is claimed as a "religious belief" is automatically and inevitably constitutionally protected. There is no "sacred belief" that any and every fucknut who wants to come here and enjoy what they didn't build in their own countries has a right to come here and burden the rest of us with their presence. There is no "sacred belief" that we cannot "profile" our enemies and protect our nation against them using whatever force is required.

So what the fuck is he referring to?

I'd expect it is the concepts of freedom and liberalism.

"Freedom" and "Liberalism" are mutually exclusive terms. No Liberal supports freedom, ever. They claim to, but in reality all they want is more Marxist power and control over others.

That is, the exact opposite to the utter irrational fear Americans seem to live in and which allows your governments to massively curtail civil liberties.

Our government, at the moment, is stuffed to the gills with, and is run by the most "liberal" Marxist Progressive in our history, and the curtailment of our civil liberties has ALWAYS been at the behest of other Progressives and "liberals," including Bush the Younger, who contrary to popular understanding was a Wilsonian Progressive of the highest order and used 9/11 to create the largest and fastest expansion of federal government power and control in the history of the US.

That being said, our fears are hardly "irrational," they are quite real, clear and present dangers to our entire system of government and economy.

And "our enemies"?? Not all Muslims in America (let alone most of them around the world) are your enemy.

Well, that is the essential question isn't it? As I've said before, because to be a Muslim is to follow the will of Allah and the words of his prophet, Mohammed, and since those commandments explicitly call for all Muslims to subjugate or kill all infidels, and because they explicitly command all Muslims to lie through their teeth as they smile and shove a dagger into your ribs in order to advance the cause of Islam and the control of the entire world by Islam and the Caliphate, it's pretty hard to tell which Muslims are "true Muslims" and therefore our mortal enemies and which are "peaceful apostate Muslims" willing to risk having their own heads sawed off with a knife for apostasy by "true Muslims" in order to live peacefully with us infidels.

I say we err on the side of caution and consider them all to be "true Muslims," by their own definition and holy commandments, and we call them enemies until they prove themselves not to be.

You guys are letting irrational fear degrade the freedom of Muslims (and everyone, Muslim or not) in your own country.

It's not an irrational fear, it's a very, very rational fear, as events in California and elsewhere, like Paris, prove. Frankly I don't care about the freedom of Muslims because they are, by self-definition, barbarians who want to rule the world and will kill anyone who disagrees with them and therefore they are undeserving of freedom.

Read the story about the Texas Muslim family that has had their house windows broken with rocks every night since they moved into the neighbourhood.

Well, they could put up signs stating that they renounce jihad, sharia law and the Caliphate. That might help.

Where do you think that sort of irrational illiberal nonsense is coming from?

Liberals, mostly.

It's coming from authoritarian hate mongers in the republican party.

Quisling chamberlainesque appeasement-monkey.

Most notably the biggest nutter of them all, the Donald.

Nah, he's just prudently suggesting we don't let any more Muslims into the US until we can be sure they aren't terrorists.

And that's not to mention that your biggest "enemy" is actually white gun nutters (most of them Christian) who regularly kill Americans on American soil.

An assertion for which you have scant if any evidence.

Bush was a progressive, and it's liberals who are causing redneck bigots to throw rocks at the house of a Muslim family....? You really are off your rocker.

[cronus]

Obama will be noted in the future history books as the last of the great American leaders, a Gorbechev like figure, whereas the Boris Yeltsin like Trump will be the first of the lesser leaders as the short lived American empire, built totally on a Godlike reverence for the devils blood....goes from decline and to fall in a more and more complex world....of sophisticated needs.

[Seth]

Bush was a progressive,

Yes, in point of fact he was, and is a Progressive. His idol and political icon is Woodrow Wilson, the father of modern Progressivism.

and it's liberals who are causing redneck bigots to throw rocks at the house of a Muslim family....?

It's liberals who are throwing rocks at anyone who dares to suggest that Muslims represent a clear and present danger to the existence of the United States and civilization generally. Even the smallest deviation from the liberal/Marxist party line gets you Alinskyed all over the place, no matter how true or reasonable your statement...like that radical Muslim imams in mosques in the United States are preaching jihad, terrorism, caliphateism and treason.

You really are off your rocker.

You've really got your head far up your ass.

[JimC]

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: What Donald Trump and ISIS Have in Common

The terrorist campaign against American ideals is winning. Fear is rampant. Gun sales are soaring. Hate crimes are increasing. Bearded hipsters are being mistaken for Muslims. And 83 percent of voters believe a large-scale terrorist attack is likely here in the near future. Some Americans are now so afraid that they are willing to trade in the sacred beliefs that define America for some vague promises of security from the very people who are spreading the terror. “Go ahead and burn the Constitution — just don’t hurt me at the mall.” That’s how effective this terrorism is.

I’m not talking about ISIS. I’m talking about Donald Trump.

http://time.com/4143003/kareem-abdul-ja ... rump-isis/

What "sacred beliefs" is this fucknut referring to, pray tell? There is no "sacred belief" that all religions are equal and equally harmful (or beneficial) to society and that therefore any behavior by anyone that is claimed as a "religious belief" is automatically and inevitably constitutionally protected. There is no "sacred belief" that any and every fucknut who wants to come here and enjoy what they didn't build in their own countries has a right to come here and burden the rest of us with their presence. There is no "sacred belief" that we cannot "profile" our enemies and protect our nation against them using whatever force is required.

So what the fuck is he referring to?

Not one constitutional principle has been violated so far. Not one. By Trump or anyone else who desires to prohibit Muslim immigration. They are free to practice their religion however they like, just not here.

All that matters is actions (which can include exhorting others to certain actions)

Those who engage in actions dangerous to others because of their religious beliefs need to be dealt with quickly and effectively. The only way that religion could impinge on this is that it may be reasonable to target intelligence gathering to particular communities; if the civil liberties crowd don't like that, fuck 'em.

But discrimination in general against a particular religion and/or its members sets a dangerous precedent, and is likely to create more problems than it solves.

[Seth]

Those who engage in actions dangerous to others because of their religious beliefs need to be dealt with quickly and effectively. The only way that religion could impinge on this is that it may be reasonable to target intelligence gathering to particular communities; if the civil liberties crowd don't like that, fuck 'em.

But discrimination in general against a particular religion and/or its members sets a dangerous precedent, and is likely to create more problems than it solves.

This is true, which is why I think it's important to recast the debate as being against the governmental rather than the religious parts of Islam.

[pErvinalia]

Seth's man and Putin are becoming besties. How does it feel, Seth, to be supporting a fascist maniac?

Trump was praised this week by Putin, who described the billionaire businessman as a “very colourful, talented person”. Putin’s words fuelled attacks by Trump’s rivals for the Republican nomination.

But Trump, whose lead in the polls has grown after a series of inflammatory Islamophobic slurs, called the Russian president’s remarks a “great honour” and described Putin as “a man highly respected within his own country and beyond”.

Trump was called out on the platitudes during an interview with MSNBC on Friday. Asked to condemn the Kremlin’s alleged involvement in the assassination of reporters, he responded: “Our country does plenty of killing also.”

In a heated interview on ABC’s This Week on Sunday, Trump said: “In all fairness to Putin, you’re saying he killed people. I haven’t seen that. I don’t know that he has.”

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015 ... MP=soc_567

[Brian Peacock]

Trump is such an obvious fascist autocrat in the making - but of the good ol' boy kind, so that's OK.

[cronus]

“In all fairness to Putin, you’re saying he killed people. I haven’t seen that. I don’t know that he has.”

Good point from Trump. People don't kill people - guns do.

[Seth]

Trump is such an obvious fascist autocrat in the making - but of the good ol' boy kind, so that's OK.

Yeah, but we only need him for 4 years, so he can sign the bills undoing everything Obama did in his eight years and revising the Commerce Clause to eliminate 95% of the federal government overnight.

Then, once he's turned things around through decisive action and uncompromising dedication to capitalism, we can unelect him and put a more moderate Libertarian in office to steward the new, much, much smaller federal government.

"But what if he refuses to leave office!", you cry.

Well, that's what the 2nd Amendment is for.

[Tero]

Trump filter
http://trumpfilter.com/

[pErvinalia]

I haven't fact checked this. Sounds about right.

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[Hermit]

Snopes says: "False"

[pErvinalia]

Snopes is a neomarxist plant.

[rainbow]

I can abide many faults in a President, but the one fault I cannot abide, and no one should abide, is lying.

Wow.
...but you didn't mind when Dubya lied about the WMD in Iraq.


Strange universe your mind inhabits.