Those Darn Bundys At It Again!

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Post by piscator » Sat Jan 16, 2016 9:26 am

Hermit wrote:In 1979 40 squatters occupied a wild life refuge on federal land. Three days later the authorities had them bundled out of there and gaoled four of them for trespassing.
The Authorities asked them to leave. All but 4 did. A preacher and 3 other guys are easy enough to pick up and carry out.

In 2016 an unknown number of squatters occupied a wild life refuge on federal land. The are still there, dismantling a fence, stealing BLM owned cars and availing to themselves to any government facility they feel comes in handy for whatever it is they want to do. Two weeks later they are still there, inviting the press in for briefings. The only action from officials so far was the County Sheriff begging the squatters to go home and arresting the alleged car thief, who is out on bail for a previous offence, when he was found using one of the stolen vehicles to do some shopping at the local supermarket.
How many guns did you say they had?

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Post by mistermack » Sat Jan 16, 2016 9:55 am

This is the shit hole that the US has built for itself.

In the UK, a protest is dealt with in much the same way as the Oregon one, often by peaceful negotiation and legal moves.
An ARMED protest would immediately have the full force of every armed cop available moving in on it, and possibly the army too, and anyone carrying a gun would run a high risk of having his brains blown out without warning.
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Post by pErvinalia » Sat Jan 16, 2016 10:02 am

Yebbut, US people have rights and we don't, something something....
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Post by Hermit » Sat Jan 16, 2016 1:00 pm

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Hermit wrote:In 1979 40 squatters occupied a wild life refuge on federal land. Three days later the authorities had them bundled out of there and gaoled four of them for trespassing.
The Authorities asked them to leave. All but 4 did. A preacher and 3 other guys are easy enough to pick up and carry out.
Correct. I guess the federal government can't handle more than a quartet of unarmed squatters then.
piscator wrote:How many guns did you say they had?
Right. My guess above was correct. Not that a firefight is even necessary. The clowns who announced they will squat on federal owned land for as long as it takes to have their demands met, then sends out an SOS for snacks three days later should be easy to starve out. What happens instead? They finish up doing their own shopping at the local supermarket down the road. FFS...

The first thing I would do would be to throw a tight cordon around them, switch off electricity, turn off the water supply, and anyone who comes out will be arrested for trespassing, property damage and whatever other charges can be brought, then taken to court. By the time they come out of gaol they may have cooled their heels sufficiently to fucking well go home. Else, more charges and escalating periods of incarcerations.
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Post by piscator » Sat Jan 16, 2016 9:04 pm

mistermack wrote:This is the shit hole that the US has built for itself.

In the UK, a protest is dealt with in much the same way as the Oregon one, often by peaceful negotiation and legal moves.
An ARMED protest would immediately have the full force of every armed cop available moving in on it, and possibly the army too, and anyone carrying a gun would run a high risk of having his brains blown out without warning.


It raises the stakes here too. Quite obviously, someone could get hurt.
But armed protests are not generally legal in your country. They are here, unless local ordinances prohibit them.

Let a weapon discharge though, and this can get ugly fast.

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Post by pErvinalia » Sun Jan 17, 2016 1:31 am

Armed "protest", sure. But what about armed occupation and trespass and stealing and destruction of property? :ask:
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Post by piscator » Sun Jan 17, 2016 2:00 am

The tab's running.

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Post by pErvinalia » Sun Jan 17, 2016 2:03 am

Who's going to collect? You'd need to find a justice department with spine first.
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Post by piscator » Sun Jan 17, 2016 3:43 am

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Post by pErvinalia » Sun Jan 17, 2016 3:54 am

I'm a Marxist. Automatically disqualified...
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Post by piscator » Sun Jan 17, 2016 4:09 am

Ahh, but you're an Authoritarian, which means all you need is authorization from an authority figure, and you'll kill.

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Post by pErvinalia » Sun Jan 17, 2016 4:15 am

Authoritarians can't exist in Freedumland.
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Post by piscator » Sun Jan 17, 2016 4:16 am

Who'll run the toll roads?

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Post by pErvinalia » Sun Jan 17, 2016 4:17 am

Volunteerism. Give me freedum or give me death! :D
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Post by Tero » Sun Jan 17, 2016 8:53 pm

Dowd, who said he mentors youth, has been camped out at the refuge for about a week and frequently does armed security rotations. He rarely attends the militia’s daily press conferences, but decided to stand alongside leader LaVoy Finicum on Saturday morning, because he said he was passionate about Finicum’s complaints about the FBI allegedly spying on the occupiers.
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016 ... nstitution

Er, the refuge is a federal piece of land. Why should the FBI not spy on illegal occupiers?

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