Who is the Conservatives' Jeremy Corbyn?

[pErvinalia]

And of course, 100% would lead to "the mob out on the streets" like Jonno said... :crazy:

[JimC]

That was a recent change, wasn't it?

It produced Bill Shorten as ALP leader, though - not doing well so far...

[pErvinalia]

Yeah. Rudd brought it in after the Rudd-Gillard-Rudd debacle.

[MrJonno]

The Conservatives are rewriting the constitution to create a one-party state

Actually its Labour who are rewriting the unwritten constitution that we are a 2 party system by turning themselves into one big street demo and creating a one-party state

[JimC]

The Conservatives are rewriting the constitution to create a one-party state

Actually its Labour who are rewriting the unwritten constitution that we are a 2 party system by turning themselves into one big street demo and creating a one-party state

That makes no sense whatsoever...

[pErvinalia]

When does anything he says ever make sense?

[mistermack]

The Conservatives are rewriting the constitution to create a one-party state

Actually its Labour who are rewriting the unwritten constitution that we are a 2 party system by turning themselves into one big street demo and creating a one-party state

That makes no sense whatsoever...

It does. He's saying that Labour are making themselves un-electable, so in effect, there's no viable opposition to the Tories, so they can act like they are the only game in town.

It's only a slight exaggeration of the true situation.

[MrJonno]

Labour politics as opposed to governmental politics is dominating the news and that is not going to change while Corbyn is in charge (whose 'fault' that is is of course irrelevant).

[pErvinalia]

It will die down eventually, unless Murdoch gets a bone in his mouth that can have some play.

Let's see what happens in the next election. I suspect predictions by you guys of a wipe-out will prove about as accurate as your predictions on his leadership chances.

[mistermack]

It will die down eventually, unless Murdoch gets a bone in his mouth that can have some play.

Let's see what happens in the next election. I suspect predictions by you guys of a wipe-out will prove about as accurate as your predictions on his leadership chances.

I certainly don't predict a wipe-out. Our system isn't like that. Some of the seats are so safe-labour that Corbyn's dog could win them.

I do predict another Conservative government with a substantially bigger majority than what they have now. Which is as good as it gets for the Tories.
The betting at the moment will get you nearly three to one, if you want to bet on Labour.
But that's including the possibility that Corbyn will no longer be leader by the next election.

I would expect that, if the bookies were accepting bets on the next election, WITH Corbyn still as leader, they would probably be giving five to one, or more.

You have to remember that the UK has NEVER elected a far left government, nor even come close. And the electorate are more to the right now, than they've ever been.

[pErvinalia]

It will die down eventually, unless Murdoch gets a bone in his mouth that can have some play.

Let's see what happens in the next election. I suspect predictions by you guys of a wipe-out will prove about as accurate as your predictions on his leadership chances.

I certainly don't predict a wipe-out.

Well you did agree with JOnno's post where he predicted just that.

I do predict another Conservative government with a substantially bigger majority than what they have now. Which is as good as it gets for the Tories.

That's a wipe out.

The betting at the moment will get you nearly three to one, if you want to bet on Labour.
But that's including the possibility that Corbyn will no longer be leader by the next election.

I would expect that, if the bookies were accepting bets on the next election, WITH Corbyn still as leader, they would probably be giving five to one, or more.

I think it is unlikely he can win. The question is can he reduce the margin significantly, or have little, or worse, effect?

You have to remember that the UK has NEVER elected a far left government, nor even come close. And the electorate are more to the right now, than they've ever been.

Socialism (well very strong social democracy) has a strong heritage in the UK. Surely you've had strong left wing governments before?

[pErvinalia]

By the way, as old conservative cunts die off, the electorates are becoming more jack with low risk centrist governments, and going looking for more radically thinking and (on the face of it) more honest politicians. The Indigngados (sp?) movement is still active around the world. There's a real challenge mounting to neoliberalism. Whether it can win, well we'll have to wait 5 or 10 years to see.

[mistermack]

Socialism (well very strong social democracy) has a strong heritage in the UK. Surely you've had strong left wing governments before?

I suppose Atlee's government just after the war was the farthest to the left.
But that was unusual times.
And while the nationalisation and setting up of the health service looks left-wing today, it wasn't then. When the Conservatives got back into power, they kept all of those changes.
They didn't privatise the nationalised industries, and we still have the Health Service today.

Up till now, Labour has been centre-left. And they still lost the last election by a big chunk.
Going farther left is sure to lose them votes in the marginal seats.
Nothing is set in stone, (except Ed Milliband's pledges), but barring freak occurrences, the Conservatives are in power now, till May, 2025.
That's the damage that the party have done, by their choices of leaders.

[MrJonno]

By the way, as old conservative cunts die off, the electorates are becoming more jack with low risk centrist governments, and going looking for more radically thinking and (on the face of it) more honest politicians. The Indigngados (sp?) movement is still active around the world. There's a real challenge mounting to neoliberalism. Whether it can win, well we'll have to wait 5 or 10 years to see.

Even Tories die but they tend to get replaced by others with even larger mortgages and an even greater interest in house prices. The UK unlike the US is getting older and greyer each year. The US is moving to the left due to demographics of age and race while in the UK ethnic makeup isn't changing much (despite what the old say) but we are aging.

What is this with 'radical' thinking being a virtue, people want to do their job, pay of the mortgage and drink large amounts of beer in a stable an environment as possible. Anyone who is planning their political strategy on 10 years time is going to lose anyway because your opponents will be trying to screw you and bribe the electorate now.

In the UK its 50/50 if the country is even going to survive and with Scotland gone we are going to be closer to Texas politically than the rest of Europe

[pErvinalia]

Well "radical thinking" in that its not stale unimaginative business as usual lying and corrupt centrism. People seem to be waking up to the fact that they've been swindled over the last 35 years of neoliberalism. With social media and the internet helping vastly the spread of new and alternative media, people are getting a new viewpoint they never had before. And it's having an effect. Whether it is enough, we'll have to see in the longer term.