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Climate change conference

Post by mistermack » Thu Dec 17, 2015 4:37 pm

The conference was full of hot air. What did they do in the end? Try to tie down the people who will be coming after them.
Shifting the responsibility onto the shoulders of the babies that are being born today.
They adopted the target of 2 degrees. But they didn't adopt any binding method of getting there.
Wikipedia wrote: ...the expected key result was an agreement to set a goal of limiting global warming to less than 2 degrees Celsius (°C) compared to pre-industrial levels. The agreement calls for zero net anthropogenic greenhouse gas emissions to be reached during the second half of the 21st century.
Wikipedia wrote: The agreement establishes a "global stocktake" which revisits the national goals to "update and enhance" them every 5 years beginning 2023.[3] However, no detailed timetable or country-specific goals for emissions were incorporated into the Paris Agreement - as opposed to the previous Kyoto protocol.
That's all you need to know. They all had a nice little break in Paris, all expenses paid, and all they did was pile on the guilt onto the next generation.
And I don't really think they are taking any risk there.
Wind and Solar and Geothermal are getting massively cheaper every year. I know that oil is in the shit at the moment, but over decades, it will be the major renewables that will be taking over.
Add to that the prospect of Nuclear Fusion coming in around the middle of the century, and fission reactors getting cheaper and more reliable all the time, and it means that fossil fuels, in the next 100 years, are breathing their last.

Maybe that's why the OPEC countries haven't reduced production. They are selling it while they can, and are thinking that the price can go a lot lower, over the next decades.
While there is a market for shit, there will be assholes to supply it.

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Re: Climate change conference

Post by cronus » Thu Dec 17, 2015 4:49 pm

Why worry about the future? Earth could get hit by a asteroid any old time. And you can't live in tomorrow any more than you can yesterday. Those who come after? Climate change will see to it that there ain't gonna be many. Not so many to worry about. Live now, there is only the present moment for you to occupy. I'm a runaway greenhouse effect man myself. Multiple positive feedbacks and a few hundred years from now the surface of this planet will be hotter than the inside of a my oven on Christmas day. If you don't get off planet you'll go down with the ship.

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Re: Climate change conference

Post by Jason » Thu Dec 17, 2015 4:57 pm

I appreciate the economic shift they (yeah them) managed to enact by entraining the public will. I'm not a buyer myself, but I can see the value in shifting the world economy away from the oil states.

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Re: Climate change conference

Post by mistermack » Thu Dec 17, 2015 5:12 pm

Śiva wrote:I appreciate the economic shift they (yeah them) managed to enact by entraining the public will. I'm not a buyer myself, but I can see the value in shifting the world economy away from the oil states.
The only thing is that if you ignore the cheap oil, your just make life easier for your competitors.
In a global market, you can't ignore the rest of the world. Someone else will come in and profit by your high-minded ideals.

It's a bit like the arms market. If you refuse to sell to a particular country through noble ideals, your competitors will be in there like a shot, and your industry dies, while theirs grows.

It's supply and demand. OPEC could cut production, while they had a monopoly, in the knowledge that they would be able to make up the lost money later. Now, if they cut production, the frackers and the turbines and the solar cells will grow even faster, and they'll never get the money back.

Keep on fracking, brothers. You're saving me money every day.
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