CERN: Harder, Faster, Better

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Re: CERN: Harder, Faster, Better

Post by JimC » Sat Dec 12, 2015 10:29 pm

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Śiva wrote:Stick with 3 dimensions Seth - you seem to have enough trouble understanding that much. We already all know you're a man.. out of time. :tea:
Hey, it's not my idea, bitch to the string theorists if you don't like the idea of more than...well...4 dimensions actually, something that evidently YOU have trouble understanding.
Certainly theorists have speculated about hidden dimensions, but, although interesting and mathematically elegant, they remain speculation until supported by good observational evidence (which could be indirect)

You, of course, are piling speculation upon speculation in suggesting that the behaviour of mini-black holes is dependent on these putative extra dimensions.
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Re: CERN: Harder, Faster, Better

Post by pErvinalia » Sun Dec 13, 2015 12:41 am

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rEvolutionist wrote:What are these "other dimensions" which black holes connect to and has a large source of mass to nourish it? Sounds like you are just pulling shit from your arse.. :ask:
Ya think? Well, you're wrong, it's scientists saying it:
[urlhttp://www.iflscience.com/physics/large-hadron ... dimensions]Large Hadron Collider Could Detect Extra Dimensions[/url]

March 19, 2015 | by Stephen Luntz
Photo credit: Mopic via Shutterstock. If gravity is draining out of tiny black holes into other dimensions, the LHC may find it

A paper in Physics Letters B has raised the possibility that the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) could make a discovery that would put its previous triumph with the Higgs Boson in the shade. The authors suggest it could detect mini black holes. Such a finding would be a matter of huge significance on its own, but might be an indication of even more important things.

Few ideas from theoretical physics capture the public imagination as much as the “many-worlds hypothesis,” which proposes an infinite number of universes that differ from our own in ways large and small. The idea has provided great fodder for science fiction writers and comedians.

However, according to Professor Mir Faizal from the University of Waterloo, "Normally, when people think of the multiverse, they think of the many-worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics, where every possibility is actualized," he said to Phys.org. "This cannot be tested and so it is philosophy and not science." Nonetheless, Faizal considers the test for a different sort of parallel universes almost within our grasp.

“What we mean is real universes in extra dimensions,” says Faizal. “As gravity can flow out of our universe into the extra dimensions, such a model can be tested by the detection of mini black holes at the LHC.”

The idea that the universe may be filled with minute black holes has been proposed to explain puzzles such as the nature of dark matter. However, the energy required to create such objects depends on the number of dimensions the universe has. In a conventional four-dimensional universe, these holes would require 1016 TeV, 15 orders of magnitude beyond the capacity of the LHC to produce.

String theory, on the other hand, proposes 10 dimensions, six of which have been wrapped up so we can't experience them. Attempts to model such a universe suggest that the energy required to make these tiny black holes would be a great deal smaller, so much so that some scientists believe they should have been detected in experiments the LHC has already run.

So if no detection, no string theory? Not according to Faizal and his co-authors. They argue that the models used to predict the energy of the black holes in a 10-dimensional universe have left out quantum deformation of spacetime that changes gravity slightly.

Whether this deformation is real is a rapidly developing question, but if it is, the paper argues that the black holes will have energy levels much smaller than in a four-dimensional universe, but about twice as large as that detectable for any test run so far. The LHC is designed to reach 14 TeV, but so far has only gone to 5.3 TeV, while the paper thinks the holes might be lurking at 11.9 TeV. In this case, once the LHC reaches its full capacity, we should find them.

Such a discovery would demonstrate the microscale deformation of spacetime, the existence of extra dimensions, parallel universes within them and string theory. If found at the right energy levels, the holes would confirm the team's interpretation of a new theory on black hole behavior named gravity's rainbow, after the influential novel. Such an astonishing quadruple revelation would transform physics, although the researchers are already considering the most likely flaws in their work if the holes prove elusive.
Kindly note this: "String theory, on the other hand, proposes 10 dimensions, six of which have been wrapped up so we can't experience them."

What if black holes "unwrap" one of those six dimensions that allows gravity to flow FROM that dimension INTO the black hole, thereby sustaining it?

Now shut the fuck up and go eat your oatmeal, the nurse will be around with your lithium and tranquilizers presently.
Two things. One, I'm not addressing that article because you refuse to respect the copyright/IP of the publisher. And two, if I was to address it I'd point out that it days nothing about massive amounts (nor any) of gravity flowing from other dimensions to our 4. You are pulling that shit from ur arse.
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Re: CERN: Harder, Faster, Better

Post by Jason » Sun Dec 13, 2015 12:45 am

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Śiva wrote:Stick with 3 dimensions Seth - you seem to have enough trouble understanding that much. We already all know you're a man.. out of time. :tea:
Hey, it's not my idea, bitch to the string theorists if you don't like the idea of more than...well...4 dimensions actually, something that evidently YOU have trouble understanding.
That was the joke smart guy.. I said you have trouble understanding 3 dimensions because you're a man out of time.. time is the 4th dimension. Jeez.

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Re: CERN: Harder, Faster, Better

Post by Seth » Sun Dec 13, 2015 2:31 am

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Seth wrote:
Śiva wrote:Stick with 3 dimensions Seth - you seem to have enough trouble understanding that much. We already all know you're a man.. out of time. :tea:
Hey, it's not my idea, bitch to the string theorists if you don't like the idea of more than...well...4 dimensions actually, something that evidently YOU have trouble understanding.
Certainly theorists have speculated about hidden dimensions, but, although interesting and mathematically elegant, they remain speculation until supported by good observational evidence (which could be indirect)
As do micro black holes and their physical properties and behaviors.
You, of course, are piling speculation upon speculation in suggesting that the behaviour of mini-black holes is dependent on these putative extra dimensions.
Um, if "scientists" can speculate that mini black holes exist, and that extra dimensions also exist, and that mini black holes can hypothetically be used to expose these dimensions, why can't I speculate that it may be exceeding dangerous to the existence of earth to do so anywhere near earth? My speculations have exactly as much scientific foundation as theirs do after all.
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Re: CERN: Harder, Faster, Better

Post by Seth » Sun Dec 13, 2015 2:33 am

rEvolutionist wrote: Two things. One, I'm not addressing that article because you refuse to respect the copyright/IP of the publisher.
No, because you can't, so you're substituting ad hominem attacks in place of reason.
And two, if I was to address it I'd point out that it days nothing about massive amounts (nor any) of gravity flowing from other dimensions to our 4. You are pulling that shit from ur arse.
If so, then so are the scientists who are proposing their arse-shit theories about mini black holes and other dimensions.
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Re: CERN: Harder, Faster, Better

Post by Seth » Sun Dec 13, 2015 2:34 am

Śiva wrote:
Seth wrote:
Śiva wrote:Stick with 3 dimensions Seth - you seem to have enough trouble understanding that much. We already all know you're a man.. out of time. :tea:
Hey, it's not my idea, bitch to the string theorists if you don't like the idea of more than...well...4 dimensions actually, something that evidently YOU have trouble understanding.
That was the joke smart guy.. I said you have trouble understanding 3 dimensions because you're a man out of time.. time is the 4th dimension. Jeez.
Nice try at a save, but...fail. You've been pwnd.
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Re: CERN: Harder, Faster, Better

Post by JimC » Sun Dec 13, 2015 3:21 am

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...My speculations have exactly as much scientific foundation as theirs do after all...
:funny:

How's your tensor analysis and matrix algebra, by the way?
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Re: CERN: Harder, Faster, Better

Post by pErvinalia » Sun Dec 13, 2015 9:02 am

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rEvolutionist wrote: Two things. One, I'm not addressing that article because you refuse to respect the copyright/IP of the publisher.
No, because you can't, so you're substituting ad hominem attacks in place of reason.
And two, if I was to address it I'd point out that it days nothing about massive amounts (nor any) of gravity flowing from other dimensions to our 4. You are pulling that shit from ur arse.
If so, then so are the scientists who are proposing their arse-shit theories about mini black holes and other dimensions.
Bullshit. Multi-dimensional theories are mathematically rigourous. That is, they are possible. Where's your mathematics to show that a dimension can unwind and effectively dump huge amounts of gravity to our 4 dimensions? Oh that's right, nowhere, as you pulled it straight from your arse. Why do you continue to debate topics you have absolutely no idea about??
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Re: CERN: Harder, Faster, Better

Post by Jason » Sun Dec 13, 2015 1:57 pm

Seth wrote:
Śiva wrote:
Seth wrote:
Śiva wrote:Stick with 3 dimensions Seth - you seem to have enough trouble understanding that much. We already all know you're a man.. out of time. :tea:
Hey, it's not my idea, bitch to the string theorists if you don't like the idea of more than...well...4 dimensions actually, something that evidently YOU have trouble understanding.
That was the joke smart guy.. I said you have trouble understanding 3 dimensions because you're a man out of time.. time is the 4th dimension. Jeez.
Nice try at a save, but...fail. You've been pwnd.
Yep. Total fail - I assumed you were smart enough to interpret the joke the first time around.

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Re: CERN: Harder, Faster, Better

Post by Seth » Sun Dec 13, 2015 7:57 pm

rEvolutionist wrote:
Seth wrote:
rEvolutionist wrote: Two things. One, I'm not addressing that article because you refuse to respect the copyright/IP of the publisher.
No, because you can't, so you're substituting ad hominem attacks in place of reason.
And two, if I was to address it I'd point out that it days nothing about massive amounts (nor any) of gravity flowing from other dimensions to our 4. You are pulling that shit from ur arse.
If so, then so are the scientists who are proposing their arse-shit theories about mini black holes and other dimensions.
Bullshit. Multi-dimensional theories are mathematically rigourous.
So the math wonks claim. Then again, who hasn't occasionally substituted a minus sign for a plus sign?
That is, they are possible.
Are they? Great. Glad to hear it.
Where's your mathematics to show that a dimension can unwind and effectively dump huge amounts of gravity to our 4 dimensions?
Don't need math to point out that the math wonks think there may be more than 4 dimensions, but they don't really know, just as they don't really know anything about micro black holes other than their mathematical guesses, or wishes, whichever they may be.
Oh that's right, nowhere, as you pulled it straight from your arse.
Which is where science's understanding of micro black holes comes from at the moment, since nobody's ever seen, much less scientifically examined one.

Math won't cut it when the existence of the planet is at stake. I'm fine with exploring black holes if that's what scientists want to do, just not here on earth.

Why do you continue to debate topics you have absolutely no idea about??
Why not? You do it every time you post anything.
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Re: CERN: Harder, Faster, Better

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