JimC wrote:As a contrast, Seth, tell us about all the high energy physics that you understand.Seth wrote:
...physicists fucking around with high-energy physics that they do not understand...
You may have to use words with more than one syllable, and even a little algebra...
Yeah. Methinks Seth has seen/read too much science FICTION. There are micro black holes instantaneously created and destroyed all over the universe all the time, and the universe doesn't get swallowed up. An elementary understanding of what a black hole is would let Seth understand that micro-black holes can't swallow the earth, as they don't have the gravity necessary to do it. They have the gravity of particles with almost no mass. That's not going to swallow anything.JimC wrote:Insist, do you?Seth wrote:
I'm just one of the people who pays for CERN who insists that they quit fucking about with black holes here on earth
Good luck with that - the good folk at CERN will of course totally ignore your paranoid crap...
Impotent bluster should be your middle name...
rEvolutionist wrote:Yeah. Methinks Seth has seen/read too much science FICTION. There are micro black holes instantaneously created and destroyed all over the universe all the time, and the universe doesn't get swallowed up.JimC wrote:Insist, do you?Seth wrote:
I'm just one of the people who pays for CERN who insists that they quit fucking about with black holes here on earth
Good luck with that - the good folk at CERN will of course totally ignore your paranoid crap...
Impotent bluster should be your middle name...
Good description of gods...Seth wrote:
Really? You ever seen one? Has ANYBODY ever seen one?
Nope. It's all theory and conjecture.
Yup, which makes "black hole science" nothing more than a religion.JimC wrote:Good description of gods...Seth wrote:
Really? You ever seen one? Has ANYBODY ever seen one?
Nope. It's all theory and conjecture.
Yep, that's the critical difference. The theory from which black holes emerge has made countless testable predictions over the years.Śiva wrote:A religion that makes testable predictions.. that's what the LHC is for..
The same theory that predicts micro black holes has them occurring naturally all over the universe even right here on earth - accelerated particles from our sun and what not.. if the theory is right in predicting these micro black holes it is also right that they're harmless. No two ways about it.
Nothing in the concept of "religion" requires anything "supernatural" or beyond the ken of science, which is why the manner in which you practice science can be a religion.Śiva wrote:A religion that makes testable predictions.. that's what the LHC is for..
The two key words in your statement of concern are "if" and "theory."The same theory that predicts micro black holes has them occurring naturally all over the universe even right here on earth - accelerated particles from our sun and what not.. if the theory is right in predicting these micro black holes it is also right that they're harmless. No two ways about it.
Getting into a black hole from behind, eh? Sounds kinky to me!Seth wrote:
...a micro black hole that penetrates into another dimension and/or universe where it finds sufficiently dense matter that sustains and nourishes the black hole from "behind"...
Ya think? Well, you're wrong, it's scientists saying it:rEvolutionist wrote:What are these "other dimensions" which black holes connect to and has a large source of mass to nourish it? Sounds like you are just pulling shit from your arse..
Kindly note this: "String theory, on the other hand, proposes 10 dimensions, six of which have been wrapped up so we can't experience them."[urlhttp://www.iflscience.com/physics/large-hadron ... dimensions]Large Hadron Collider Could Detect Extra Dimensions[/url]
March 19, 2015 | by Stephen Luntz
Photo credit: Mopic via Shutterstock. If gravity is draining out of tiny black holes into other dimensions, the LHC may find it
A paper in Physics Letters B has raised the possibility that the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) could make a discovery that would put its previous triumph with the Higgs Boson in the shade. The authors suggest it could detect mini black holes. Such a finding would be a matter of huge significance on its own, but might be an indication of even more important things.
Few ideas from theoretical physics capture the public imagination as much as the “many-worlds hypothesis,” which proposes an infinite number of universes that differ from our own in ways large and small. The idea has provided great fodder for science fiction writers and comedians.
However, according to Professor Mir Faizal from the University of Waterloo, "Normally, when people think of the multiverse, they think of the many-worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics, where every possibility is actualized," he said to Phys.org. "This cannot be tested and so it is philosophy and not science." Nonetheless, Faizal considers the test for a different sort of parallel universes almost within our grasp.
“What we mean is real universes in extra dimensions,” says Faizal. “As gravity can flow out of our universe into the extra dimensions, such a model can be tested by the detection of mini black holes at the LHC.”
The idea that the universe may be filled with minute black holes has been proposed to explain puzzles such as the nature of dark matter. However, the energy required to create such objects depends on the number of dimensions the universe has. In a conventional four-dimensional universe, these holes would require 1016 TeV, 15 orders of magnitude beyond the capacity of the LHC to produce.
String theory, on the other hand, proposes 10 dimensions, six of which have been wrapped up so we can't experience them. Attempts to model such a universe suggest that the energy required to make these tiny black holes would be a great deal smaller, so much so that some scientists believe they should have been detected in experiments the LHC has already run.
So if no detection, no string theory? Not according to Faizal and his co-authors. They argue that the models used to predict the energy of the black holes in a 10-dimensional universe have left out quantum deformation of spacetime that changes gravity slightly.
Whether this deformation is real is a rapidly developing question, but if it is, the paper argues that the black holes will have energy levels much smaller than in a four-dimensional universe, but about twice as large as that detectable for any test run so far. The LHC is designed to reach 14 TeV, but so far has only gone to 5.3 TeV, while the paper thinks the holes might be lurking at 11.9 TeV. In this case, once the LHC reaches its full capacity, we should find them.
Such a discovery would demonstrate the microscale deformation of spacetime, the existence of extra dimensions, parallel universes within them and string theory. If found at the right energy levels, the holes would confirm the team's interpretation of a new theory on black hole behavior named gravity's rainbow, after the influential novel. Such an astonishing quadruple revelation would transform physics, although the researchers are already considering the most likely flaws in their work if the holes prove elusive.
You mean likeJimC wrote:Getting into a black hole from behind, eh? Sounds kinky to me!Seth wrote:
...a micro black hole that penetrates into another dimension and/or universe where it finds sufficiently dense matter that sustains and nourishes the black hole from "behind"...
But seriously, Seth, SF is all very well in its place, I'm a big fan, but when we come to reality, it's usually better to use a rational combination of observation, high level mathematics and hypothesis testing, rather than waving one's hands in the air and spouting dire predictions based on utter ignorance...
?Hey, it's not my idea, bitch to the string theorists if you don't like the idea of more than...well...4 dimensions actually, something that evidently YOU have trouble understanding.Śiva wrote:Stick with 3 dimensions Seth - you seem to have enough trouble understanding that much. We already all know you're a man.. out of time.
Maybe I'll switch fromSeth wrote:Hey, it's not my idea, bitch to the string theorists if you don't like the idea of more than...well...4 dimensions actually, something that evidently YOU have trouble understanding.Śiva wrote:Stick with 3 dimensions Seth - you seem to have enough trouble understanding that much. We already all know you're a man.. out of time.
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