18th century too. Trump has announced that he will contravene the US constitution and with it break his oath of allegiance, to "support and defend the Constitution", which disqualifies him from becoming the President of the United States of America.Scumple wrote:Very 20th century of you....let's see who wins the election and what they do with the UN?Blind groper wrote:According to the United Nations accord on human rights, to discriminate on the basis of religion is wrong. If the US accepts a Christian doctor as an immigrant, and refuses a Muslim doctor because he is a Muslim, that is an offence against basic human rights. Basically, Trump is in the wrong.
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Yeh, I see your thinking there.Seth wrote: Why grab the religion tar-baby when we have another perfectly legitimate reason to exclude Muslims?
It's very like "why say that we want a bang bang, to make us feel like big men, when we can pretend that it's for self defence?"
How very American.
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You can keep him!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35052505
Trump UK ban petition passes 100,000
A petition calling for Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump to be barred from entering UK has passed 100,000, meaning MPs will have to consider debating the issue.
The petition went on Parliament's e-petition website on Tuesday.
It was posted in response to Mr Trump's call for a temporary halt on Muslims entering the United States.
Any petition with more than 100,000 signatures is automatically considered for debate in Parliament.
Mr Trump is seeking the Republican nomination for next year's US presidential election.
The full text of the petition - entitled "Block Donald J Trump from UK entry" - reads: "The UK has banned entry to many individuals for hate speech. The same principles should apply to everyone who wishes to enter the UK.
"If the United Kingdom is to continue applying the 'unacceptable behaviour' criteria to those who wish to enter its borders, it must be fairly applied to the rich as well as poor, and the weak as well as powerful."
'Radicalised' claim
Mr Trump called for the ban on Muslims entering the United States following a mass shooting in San Bernadino, California.
A Muslim couple, believed to have been radicalised, killed 14 people at a health centre.
The prime minister's official spokeswoman has said David Cameron "completely disagrees with Donald Trump".
Labour's Tulip Siddiq, MP for Hampstead and Kilburn, also called for Mr Trump to be banned from the UK after he claimed that parts of London were "so radicalised" that police were "afraid for their own lives".
"I would say to him you are not welcome in our country in the same way that you want to ban people like me going into your country," Ms Siddiq told BBC Radio London.
"I don't think we need someone poisonous like Donald Trump in our capital city that we are so proud to live in, and in our country."
Mr Trump's comments about the UK capital previously led to London Mayor Boris Johnson saying "the only reason I wouldn't go to some parts of New York is the real risk of meeting Donald Trump".
He added: "Donald Trump's ill-informed comments are complete and utter nonsense.
"As a city where more than 300 languages are spoken, London has a proud history of tolerance and diversity and to suggest there are areas where police officers cannot go because of radicalisation is simply ridiculous."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35052505
Trump UK ban petition passes 100,000
A petition calling for Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump to be barred from entering UK has passed 100,000, meaning MPs will have to consider debating the issue.
The petition went on Parliament's e-petition website on Tuesday.
It was posted in response to Mr Trump's call for a temporary halt on Muslims entering the United States.
Any petition with more than 100,000 signatures is automatically considered for debate in Parliament.
Mr Trump is seeking the Republican nomination for next year's US presidential election.
The full text of the petition - entitled "Block Donald J Trump from UK entry" - reads: "The UK has banned entry to many individuals for hate speech. The same principles should apply to everyone who wishes to enter the UK.
"If the United Kingdom is to continue applying the 'unacceptable behaviour' criteria to those who wish to enter its borders, it must be fairly applied to the rich as well as poor, and the weak as well as powerful."
'Radicalised' claim
Mr Trump called for the ban on Muslims entering the United States following a mass shooting in San Bernadino, California.
A Muslim couple, believed to have been radicalised, killed 14 people at a health centre.
The prime minister's official spokeswoman has said David Cameron "completely disagrees with Donald Trump".
Labour's Tulip Siddiq, MP for Hampstead and Kilburn, also called for Mr Trump to be banned from the UK after he claimed that parts of London were "so radicalised" that police were "afraid for their own lives".
"I would say to him you are not welcome in our country in the same way that you want to ban people like me going into your country," Ms Siddiq told BBC Radio London.
"I don't think we need someone poisonous like Donald Trump in our capital city that we are so proud to live in, and in our country."
Mr Trump's comments about the UK capital previously led to London Mayor Boris Johnson saying "the only reason I wouldn't go to some parts of New York is the real risk of meeting Donald Trump".
He added: "Donald Trump's ill-informed comments are complete and utter nonsense.
"As a city where more than 300 languages are spoken, London has a proud history of tolerance and diversity and to suggest there are areas where police officers cannot go because of radicalisation is simply ridiculous."
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Because it's fascist nonsense?mistermack wrote:He's onto a winner with the "ban muslims from coming" thing.
Firstly, why not?
You obviously haven't swatted up on this issue very well. He wants to ban American muslims from returning as well. That would seem to pretty seriously contravene the Constitution.Who needs em? And what rights does it actually contravene?
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He's not going to win the republican nomination. His most serious threat is that he makes irrational homophobic bigoted wankers (i.e. the other Republican runners) seem sane. They get a free pass with all their bigoted nonsense while ever Trump is there. But interestingly today, even the other republican runners couldn't stomach it any more. Even Ted Cruz has called him out as a dangerous idiot.Scumple wrote:Watch for a black op from the Tea Party, made to look like a terror attack to swing the election? Unless he croaks from a long word stuck in his throat my money is on a Trump win.
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Because he wants to ban ALL muslims, not just the extremist ones. I don't think anyone would have any problem with extremists of all types being denied entry to their country. Interestingly, Australia denies visas for all sorts of right wing bigots. I'm sure that upsets your alleged Libbo sensibilities, yet denying muzzies and you're all of a sudden not a Libbo any more.Seth wrote: Why grab the religion tar-baby when we have another perfectly legitimate reason to exclude Muslims?
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No link I see. Nothing changes does it?rEvolutionist wrote: You obviously haven't swatted up on this issue very well. He wants to ban American muslims from returning as well. That would seem to pretty seriously contravene the Constitution.
In any case, I'm not defending every detail of what he says. I'm saying that stopping foreign Muslims entering the US is a vote winner for him. And I would do the same in his place.
In return, I'm sure that Pakistan can stop Americans from immigrating into their country. I'm sure that most people in the US would be prepared to put up with it.
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It's your thread. Where's your link outlining his proposal? If you had of provided one you would be aware that he is proposing it for American Muslims too. Sort your own problems out first.mistermack wrote:No link I see. Nothing changes does it?rEvolutionist wrote: You obviously haven't swatted up on this issue very well. He wants to ban American muslims from returning as well. That would seem to pretty seriously contravene the Constitution.
If nuking Iran was a vote winner, would you advocate that as well??In any case, I'm not defending every detail of what he says. I'm saying that stopping foreign Muslims entering the US is a vote winner for him. And I would do the same in his place.
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Seems even he realises how stupid some of his proposals are. He's backtracked on that one.
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/pre ... ntering-usAsked by The Hill whether that would include American Muslims currently abroad, Trump spokeswoman Hope Hicks replied over email: “Mr. Trump says, ‘everyone.’ ”
During a Tuesday morning interview with ABC's "Good Morning America," however, Trump clarified that American Muslims would still be able to travel freely under his plan.
"If a person is a Muslim and goes overseas and come back, they can come back. They are a citizen, that is different," Trump said.
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I outlined in my posts what I would do. I didn't anywhere say that I supported every nuance of what he might come out with.rEvolutionist wrote: It's your thread. Where's your link outlining his proposal? If you had of provided one you would be aware that he is proposing it for American Muslims too. Sort your own problems out first.
I'm saying that stopping foreign Muslims entering the US is a vote winner for him. And I would do the same in his place.
You obviously haven't swatted up on this thread very well.

Earlier, mistermack wrote: Maybe, to discriminate on the basis of religion IS wrong. For your own nationals.
But foreign people wanting to get into your country, you don't owe them anything.
Probably not. I didn't say that I would do everything that was a vote winner, did I ?rEvolutionist wrote:If nuking Iran was a vote winner, would you advocate that as well??
That seems to have come out of your own head.
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The point was that you said being bigoted was ok because it was a vote winner. Just seems like a stupid illiberal position to hold.
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Actually, in Merka, any law involving discrimination on a religious basis is in direct contradiction to the First Amendment, ergo, invalid.rEvolutionist wrote:Because it's fascist nonsense?mistermack wrote:He's onto a winner with the "ban muslims from coming" thing.
Firstly, why not?
You obviously haven't swatted up on this issue very well. He wants to ban American muslims from returning as well. That would seem to pretty seriously contravene the Constitution.Who needs em? And what rights does it actually contravene?
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If he ever becomes president, that petition could lead to serious diplomatic incidents...
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35052505
Trump UK ban petition passes 100,000
A petition calling for Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump to be barred from entering UK has passed 100,000, meaning MPs will have to consider debating the issue.
The petition went on Parliament's e-petition website on Tuesday.
It was posted in response to Mr Trump's call for a temporary halt on Muslims entering the United States.
Any petition with more than 100,000 signatures is automatically considered for debate in Parliament.
Mr Trump is seeking the Republican nomination for next year's US presidential election.
The full text of the petition - entitled "Block Donald J Trump from UK entry" - reads: "The UK has banned entry to many individuals for hate speech. The same principles should apply to everyone who wishes to enter the UK.
"If the United Kingdom is to continue applying the 'unacceptable behaviour' criteria to those who wish to enter its borders, it must be fairly applied to the rich as well as poor, and the weak as well as powerful."
'Radicalised' claim
Mr Trump called for the ban on Muslims entering the United States following a mass shooting in San Bernadino, California.
A Muslim couple, believed to have been radicalised, killed 14 people at a health centre.
The prime minister's official spokeswoman has said David Cameron "completely disagrees with Donald Trump".
Labour's Tulip Siddiq, MP for Hampstead and Kilburn, also called for Mr Trump to be banned from the UK after he claimed that parts of London were "so radicalised" that police were "afraid for their own lives".
"I would say to him you are not welcome in our country in the same way that you want to ban people like me going into your country," Ms Siddiq told BBC Radio London.
"I don't think we need someone poisonous like Donald Trump in our capital city that we are so proud to live in, and in our country."
Mr Trump's comments about the UK capital previously led to London Mayor Boris Johnson saying "the only reason I wouldn't go to some parts of New York is the real risk of meeting Donald Trump".
He added: "Donald Trump's ill-informed comments are complete and utter nonsense.
"As a city where more than 300 languages are spoken, London has a proud history of tolerance and diversity and to suggest there are areas where police officers cannot go because of radicalisation is simply ridiculous."
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In your OP you asked 'what rights would it [his "ban muslims from coming" thing] contravene'. I pointed out one such right. Then you got upset that someone had pointed out an error in your 'reasoning' or 'opinion' or whatever it is you are calling it these days.mistermack wrote:I outlined in my posts what I would do. I didn't anywhere say that I supported every nuance of what he might come out with.rEvolutionist wrote: It's your thread. Where's your link outlining his proposal? If you had of provided one you would be aware that he is proposing it for American Muslims too. Sort your own problems out first.
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I'm not sure if that's true. The first amendment only applies to Mercan citizens. So they could ban foreign muslims ok, I think. The more pertinent points would be if it violates any international treaties, and more definitively firm treaties with other countries about allowing reasonably free access to each other's countries.Svartalf wrote:Actually, in Merka, any law involving discrimination on a religious basis is in direct contradiction to the First Amendment, ergo, invalid.rEvolutionist wrote:Because it's fascist nonsense?mistermack wrote:He's onto a winner with the "ban muslims from coming" thing.
Firstly, why not?
You obviously haven't swatted up on this issue very well. He wants to ban American muslims from returning as well. That would seem to pretty seriously contravene the Constitution.Who needs em? And what rights does it actually contravene?
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