And scientists wonder why they are misunderstood

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Re: And scientists wonder why they are misunderstood

Post by Seth » Wed Dec 02, 2015 9:37 pm

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In the case of tiny black holes what matters is if they factually do evaporate, a hypothesis that has not yet been proven to be true with critically robust scientific evidence. Until that hypothesis is proven it is inherently dangerous to fuck about with black holes, mini or otherwise, anywhere close to Earth.
As usual when you assert anything about physics, you are totally incorrect. Whether mini-black holes disappear via Hawking radiation or not is unimportant, although virtually certain (in fact, they may have already been created, and disappeared before they can be observed). Their gravitational effect is miniscule.

And yet again, the science community rightfully ignores the pathetic rants of the ignorant, so your bluster is utterly impotent.

As usual...
"They may have..." is the critical failure in your argument. You know fuck-all about black holes. All you think you know is based on math, not on close-up observation of actual black holes. Theories and math are not adequate safety protocols for such dangerous experimentation, particularly because even the physicists at CERN don't know everything about particle physics, much less black holes, which is why the device was built in the first place.

Until science knows with absolute certainty that small black holes "evaporate" quickly and cannot sustain themselves long enough to swallow earth through rigorous scientific observation of black holes themselves, then you need to quit fucking about and wait till you can conduct your experiments with black holes safely, somewhere far from earth. You have absolutely no right whatsoever to place earth at risk, even if you theorize that the risk is non-existent.
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Re: And scientists wonder why they are misunderstood

Post by mistermack » Wed Dec 02, 2015 9:58 pm

If black holes can suck mass from other dimensions, we would have seen it already.
The super-massive black holes at the centre of other galaxies would be sucking like mad, and you would see the difference in the motion of the galaxy, and you would see the effect of previous sucking of mass.

Galaxies wouldn't be the shape that they are. They have modeled the development of galaxies in very powerful simulations, and no sign of mass arriving from nowhere has ever been detected.

If a supermassive black hole can't do it, the chances of a superminiscule one doing it are virtually nil.
And I'm not talking about one percent chance. It's as near to zero as you can go. And it's impossible to go to zero.
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Re: And scientists wonder why they are misunderstood

Post by Seth » Wed Dec 02, 2015 10:02 pm

mistermack wrote:If black holes can suck mass from other dimensions, we would have seen it already.
How do you know you haven't?
The super-massive black holes at the centre of other galaxies would be sucking like mad, and you would see the difference in the motion of the galaxy, and you would see the effect of previous sucking of mass.
Super massive black holes at the center of other galaxies are sucking like mad.
Galaxies wouldn't be the shape that they are. They have modeled the development of galaxies in very powerful simulations, and no sign of matter arriving from nowhere has ever been detected.
Is that like the "models" they use to predict global warming that have all been abject failures?
If a supermassive black hole can't do it, the chances of a superminiscule one doing it are virtually nil.
"Virtually nil" isn't good enough.
And I'm not talking about one percent chance. It's as near to zero as you can go. And it's impossible to go to zero.
If it ain't zero and you can't prove with hard scientific observation that it's zero, then don't fuck about with black holes here on earth. It's not worth it. There is nothing to be gained by creating micro black holes now that cannot wait until it can be done safely somewhere else.
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Re: And scientists wonder why they are misunderstood

Post by mistermack » Wed Dec 02, 2015 10:09 pm

Seth wrote: Is that like the "models" they use to predict global warming that have all been abject failures?
If you weren't so ignorant of physics, you would know that gravity is incredibly predictable. Unlike the weather or climate. That's how they knew that there were extra objects in the solar system, long before they saw them.
Steven Hawking knew that there would be Hawking radiation leaking from black holes, long before it was seen.
It's about as unlike the weather as you could possibly get. Congratulations on showing your complete ignorance.
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Re: And scientists wonder why they are misunderstood

Post by JimC » Wed Dec 02, 2015 11:44 pm

As usual, Seth just doesn't get it. Not so much the science, that's almost a given, but the fact that his ignorant, paranoid rants are empty bluster, to be ignored by the world's scientific community.

Remember, Seth, thinking people don't give a shit what you rave about...
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Re: And scientists wonder why they are misunderstood

Post by Seth » Thu Dec 03, 2015 12:34 am

mistermack wrote:
Seth wrote: Is that like the "models" they use to predict global warming that have all been abject failures?
If you weren't so ignorant of physics, you would know that gravity is incredibly predictable. Unlike the weather or climate. That's how they knew that there were extra objects in the solar system, long before they saw them.
Steven Hawking knew that there would be Hawking radiation leaking from black holes, long before it was seen.
It's about as unlike the weather as you could possibly get. Congratulations on showing your complete ignorance.
Well, the gravity we know about, here, outside of black holes appears to be predictable in this region of space, assuming only four dimensions and no extra dimensions or universes. Then again, as Einstein suggested with respect to the speed of light, these conditions may only be a localized phenomenon. You have no idea what goes on with gravity inside a black hole. In fact, you don't even know what gravity actually is. Neither does science.

By the way, nobody has "seen" Hawking radiation yet. It's still all theoretical.
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Re: And scientists wonder why they are misunderstood

Post by Seth » Thu Dec 03, 2015 12:36 am

JimC wrote:As usual, Seth just doesn't get it. Not so much the science, that's almost a given, but the fact that his ignorant, paranoid rants are empty bluster, to be ignored by the world's scientific community.

Remember, Seth, thinking people don't give a shit what you rave about...
That statement is clearly false, given how much of a shit you give, as evidenced by your insults and diatribes presented in lieu of rational debate, which is an absolutely classic indicator of religious belief and faith.
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Re: And scientists wonder why they are misunderstood

Post by mistermack » Thu Dec 03, 2015 11:13 am

Seth wrote: Well, the gravity we know about, here, outside of black holes appears to be predictable in this region of space, assuming only four dimensions and no extra dimensions or universes. Then again, as Einstein suggested with respect to the speed of light, these conditions may only be a localized phenomenon. You have no idea what goes on with gravity inside a black hole. In fact, you don't even know what gravity actually is. Neither does science.

By the way, nobody has "seen" Hawking radiation yet. It's still all theoretical.
:funny: So are micro black holes, you dunderhead !. So why are you shitting yourself?
You are very selective in what you choose to believe. Scientists are right, that they can create micro black holes, but wrong, that they would evaporate in a tiny fraction of a micro-second.
You accept theory, when it suits you, and rubbish it when it doesn't.

Actually, people DO claim to have seen Hawking radiation, by creating an event horizon in the lab, using powerful lazers. Like all science, it's not formally accepted until it's been repeated over and over, and every other possibility has been eliminated. And even then, nobody claims 100% certainty.
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Re: And scientists wonder why they are misunderstood

Post by Brian Peacock » Thu Dec 03, 2015 11:36 am

Indeed. That's just how science progresses. Personally I'm more concerned by the possibility of a near-system gamma-ray burst than the planet being sucked down the gravity well of a homemade black hole, which is to say not very concerned at all.
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Re: And scientists wonder why they are misunderstood

Post by rainbow » Thu Dec 03, 2015 12:15 pm

Brian Peacock wrote:Indeed. That's just how science progresses. Personally I'm more concerned by the possibility of a near-system gamma-ray burst than the planet being sucked down the gravity well of a homemade black hole, which is to say not very concerned at all.
...but you've never seen gravity, have you?

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Re: And scientists wonder why they are misunderstood

Post by Brian Peacock » Thu Dec 03, 2015 1:21 pm

Exactly. :)
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Re: And scientists wonder why they are misunderstood

Post by Svartalf » Thu Dec 03, 2015 2:03 pm

we all have felt it, though, haven't we?
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Re: And scientists wonder why they are misunderstood

Post by NineBerry » Thu Dec 03, 2015 2:51 pm

No matter what's happening in a black hole, the beings living there have a natural right to own guns.

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Re: And scientists wonder why they are misunderstood

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Re: And scientists wonder why they are misunderstood

Post by JimC » Thu Dec 03, 2015 8:17 pm

NineBerry wrote:No matter what's happening in a black hole, the beings living there have a natural right to own guns.
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