And scientists wonder why they are misunderstood

[Jason]

Basically it should collapse back into a singularity.. but it don't. Dark matter/energy some such..

At least I think that's what they think now.

Then again.. if our universe is the surface area of a 4D sphere.. who knows man.. smoke a bong and go the an astrophysics lecture. It's good shit.

[Seth]

You have zero understanding of "mini black holes"

And that's exactly how much understanding of mini black holes the scientists at CERN or anywhere else have: zero.

All they have is speculation and hypothesis because not one swinging dick among them has ever seen a black hole of any kind, much less manipulated one.

Bullshit. You have no fucking idea about physics, or what scientists know or don't know. You betray your appalling ignorance with every post on this topic.

So what goes on inside a black hole? No guessing or speculation, just hard scientific evidence please.

[Seth]

You know.. I just read the wikipedia article on micro black holes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micro_black_hole).. and it's pretty good. I understood it quite well and I'm just a layperson - the article on the Schwarzchild radius (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwarzschild_radius) is also very good. Hawking Radiation.. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawking_radiation) also well written and understandable to the layperson like me.

Check out gravitational waves (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_wave) and correlate that with LISA (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolved_L ... ce_Antenna) and you can get an idea of the cool things science has learned about black holes, space-time, and other shit while you've been.. asleep or whatever.

Are you telling us that this thread stimulated you to read up on black holes?

Imagine that...

[Jason]

Well to read up on the wikipedia articles.. but sure. You should give it a go. There are lots of good google groups on google+ with weekly or monthly hangouts with folks from NASA and various universities. It's pretty cool.

[Seth]

Well to read up on the wikipedia articles.. but sure. You should give it a go. There are lots of good google groups on google+ with weekly or monthly hangouts with folks from NASA and various universities. It's pretty cool.

I've already "given it a go." My purpose was to stimulate others to do so, and I am victorious!

[Jason]

If you say so..

Does this mean you'll stop posting the nonsense about micro black holes destroying the earth because you knew it was nonsense the entire time and just wanted to help me to help you to help me to look it up so I could show you your error.. or something?

[mistermack]

So what goes on inside a black hole? No guessing or speculation, just hard scientific evidence please.

There you go again. All black holes are the same to you.
Well, they're not. You might as well ask, what goes on inside a building?

Why don't you read up on black holes, if you want to know? Nobody here is pretending to be an expert.

You need to read up on gravity. Because what goes on INSIDE is of no real interest other than academic.
It's what goes on OUTSIDE that's of practical interest.
If you end up inside, it's all over for you :

Supermassive black hole swallows a star

[JimC]

You have zero understanding of "mini black holes"

And that's exactly how much understanding of mini black holes the scientists at CERN or anywhere else have: zero.

All they have is speculation and hypothesis because not one swinging dick among them has ever seen a black hole of any kind, much less manipulated one.

Bullshit. You have no fucking idea about physics, or what scientists know or don't know. You betray your appalling ignorance with every post on this topic.

So what goes on inside a black hole? No guessing or speculation, just hard scientific evidence please.

If you are worried about the Earth being sucked into a black hole, the only thing that matters is the observable effects of a black hole of given mass on its surroundings.

And that is known with great precision. Of course, accepting that requires some knowledge of maths, but only to an undergraduate level.

Enrolled in that college course yet?

[Seth]

You have zero understanding of "mini black holes"

And that's exactly how much understanding of mini black holes the scientists at CERN or anywhere else have: zero.

All they have is speculation and hypothesis because not one swinging dick among them has ever seen a black hole of any kind, much less manipulated one.

Bullshit. You have no fucking idea about physics, or what scientists know or don't know. You betray your appalling ignorance with every post on this topic.

So what goes on inside a black hole? No guessing or speculation, just hard scientific evidence please.

If you are worried about the Earth being sucked into a black hole, the only thing that matters is the observable effects of a black hole of given mass on its surroundings.

Evasion. In the case of tiny black holes what matters is if they factually do evaporate, a hypothesis that has not yet been proven to be true with critically robust scientific evidence. Until that hypothesis is proven it is inherently dangerous to fuck about with black holes, mini or otherwise, anywhere close to Earth.

So shut the fuck up and quit fucking around with black holes until you can guarantee it can be done so without ANY risk whatsoever to Earth.

If that means you have to wait until you can build a particle accelerator at Alpha Centauri, that's just too fucking bad, suck it up and quit risking everyone else's lives.

[Seth]

So what goes on inside a black hole? No guessing or speculation, just hard scientific evidence please.

There you go again. All black holes are the same to you.
Well, they're not. You might as well ask, what goes on inside a building?

Why don't you read up on black holes, if you want to know? Nobody here is pretending to be an expert.

You need to read up on gravity. Because what goes on INSIDE is of no real interest other than academic.
It's what goes on OUTSIDE that's of practical interest.

Not if a quantum black hole, once created, can tap into sufficient mass of sufficient density from another dimension or universe to sustain itself permanently, which will mean it can do nothing but grow larger over time, and if you lose control of it and it sinks to the center of the planet it begins eating the planet from the core outwards.

Until you have observed the interior of a black hole and can prove that this cannot happen, don't fuck with black holes here on earth, wait till you can do it safely somewhere far, far away from earth.

If you end up inside, it's all over for you :

And if Earth ends up on the inside, it's all over for everyone, so until you can prove with critically robust physical scientific evidence (not mathematical hypotheticals) that there is zero chance that an earth-swallowing black hole CANNOT under any circumstances whatsoever be created at CERN, quite fucking around with stuff you don't understand fully that could destroy the planet.

[Jason]

Safety arguments[edit]
Main article: Safety of high-energy particle collision experiments
Hawking's calculation[10] and more general quantum mechanical arguments predict that micro black holes evaporate almost instantaneously. Additional safety arguments beyond those based on Hawking radiation were given in the paper,[23][24] which showed that in hypothetical scenarios with stable black holes that could damage Earth, such black holes would have been produced by cosmic rays and would have already destroyed known astronomical objects such as the Earth, Sun, neutron stars, or white dwarfs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micro_bla ... _arguments

Logic. Do you speak it? How about reading comprehension? Don't speed read the wiki and then come back just to argue your point - you know.. try considering that you might be arguing something completely nonsensical.

[Jason]

I knew you'd miss the point in your mad rush to shore up your position (because we all know you're just arguing to argue as you've always done) - that's why I made the FRB thread with the link to phys.org and the perimeter institute as a sly reference I knew you'd miss.

[JimC]

Seth wrote:

In the case of tiny black holes what matters is if they factually do evaporate, a hypothesis that has not yet been proven to be true with critically robust scientific evidence. Until that hypothesis is proven it is inherently dangerous to fuck about with black holes, mini or otherwise, anywhere close to Earth.

As usual when you assert anything about physics, you are totally incorrect. Whether mini-black holes disappear via Hawking radiation or not is unimportant, although virtually certain (in fact, they may have already been created, and disappeared before they can be observed). Their gravitational effect is miniscule.

And yet again, the science community rightfully ignores the pathetic rants of the ignorant, so your bluster is utterly impotent.

As usual...

[Seth]

Safety arguments[edit]
Main article: Safety of high-energy particle collision experiments
Hawking's calculation[10] and more general quantum mechanical arguments predict that micro black holes evaporate almost instantaneously. Additional safety arguments beyond those based on Hawking radiation were given in the paper,[23][24] which showed that in hypothetical scenarios with stable black holes that could damage Earth, such black holes would have been produced by cosmic rays and would have already destroyed known astronomical objects such as the Earth, Sun, neutron stars, or white dwarfs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micro_bla ... _arguments

Logic. Do you speak it? How about reading comprehension? Don't speed read the wiki and then come back just to argue your point - you know.. try considering that you might be arguing something completely nonsensical.

Um, everything you cite is "hypothetical" and none of it is based on actual hard scientific observation of the nature and behavior of small black holes. "Hypothetical" isn't good enough when it comes to black holes. Don't fuck about with them on earth until you have hard scientific evidence. In fact, don't fuck about with them on earth AT ALL, wait to fuck about with them till you can do so somewhere far, far away where, if you fuck up, it won't destroy earth.

Your impatience is not sufficient justification for taking the risk of creating a black hole of any size here on earth.

[Jason]