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[Hermit]

Paris started it by stealing a lady that didn't belong with him

Paris attacked nothing and nobody. End of

[Svartalf]

he attacked the honour of Menelaos

[Hermit]

According to Homer, Helen chose to be with Paris. Though she later regretted that choice, again according to Homer, it was she who "attacked" the honour of Menelaus.

[Jason]

Yes, but women are frail and whimsical despite their beauty and cannot be held accountable for their actions. Their fickle hearts will cause them to betray the foundations of society every time. It is the duty of men then to deny these upsets -- Paris acted as a woman himself and gave over to whimsical love and upset the balance of society in ignoring the symbolic exchange following a formal negotiation he'd normally have to make with Zeus for the hand of Helen -- Menelaus had gone through the proper course of negotiation and exchange with Zeus for his daughter and was thus the wronged party as he observed the strictures of his society. The rightness of Menelaus and wrongness of Paris is exemplified in the desolation of the city which harboured the societal criminals -- Troy.

[Hermit]

Yes, but women are frail and whimsical despite their beauty and cannot be held accountable for their actions. Their fickle hearts will cause them to betray the foundations of society every time. It is the duty of men then to deny these upsets -- Paris acted as a woman himself and gave over to whimsical love and upset the balance of society in ignoring the symbolic exchange following a formal negotiation he'd normally have to make with Zeus for the hand of Helen -- Menelaus had gone through the proper course of negotiation and exchange with Zeus for his daughter and was thus the wronged party as he observed the strictures of his society. The rightness of Menelaus and wrongness of Paris is exemplified in the desolation of the city which harboured the societal criminals -- Troy.

Ah, since you invoke the rôles of the Olympic Gods in this we can blame the entire misère on Eris, attack and all. Paris goes free once again even though Homer really didn't like him.

[Jason]

Yes, but women are frail and whimsical despite their beauty and cannot be held accountable for their actions. Their fickle hearts will cause them to betray the foundations of society every time. It is the duty of men then to deny these upsets -- Paris acted as a woman himself and gave over to whimsical love and upset the balance of society in ignoring the symbolic exchange following a formal negotiation he'd normally have to make with Zeus for the hand of Helen -- Menelaus had gone through the proper course of negotiation and exchange with Zeus for his daughter and was thus the wronged party as he observed the strictures of his society. The rightness of Menelaus and wrongness of Paris is exemplified in the desolation of the city which harboured the societal criminals -- Troy.

Ah, since you invoke the rôles of the Olympic Gods in this we can blame the entire misère on Eris, attack and all. Paris goes free once again even though Homer really didn't like him.

Truly. But is it not also a failure of all Olympus in repressing the complete nature of the Godhead by denying entrance of Eris -- discord -- to their celebrations? The arrogance of the gods and the apparent failure of duty by Zeus, as ruler of Olympus, to adjudicate their error, is truly the cause of desolation of Troy. If one views the whole of the Olympian pantheon as a unit then the error was a fundamental denial of self resulting in a classical psychosis of epic proportion and at the end of the day it must be Zeus who accepts the blame.

[Hermit]

But is it not also a failure of all Olympus in repressing the complete nature of the Godhead by denying entrance of Eris -- discord -- to their celebrations? The arrogance of the gods and the apparent failure of duty by Zeus, as ruler of Olympus, to adjudicate their error, is truly the cause of desolation of Troy. If one views the whole of the Olympian pantheon as a unit then the error was a fundamental denial of self resulting in a classical psychosis of epic proportion and at the end of the day it must be Zeus who accepts the blame.

Very much so. This is a common criticism of gods by unbelievers who assume that gods intended their creation to be ideal, but then that assumption is just that: an assumption. It lacks any backup whatsoever. Besides, the Olympic gods were never said to have been creationists by the ancient Greeks, nor were they even regarded as gods in the sense of the monotheistic deities. They were scheming, treacherous, cheating entities and just like us. At any rate, it's all their fault. Paris is not to blame for any attack whatsoever.

[cronus]

Action moved to Brussels now, how do you explain that one you poets....?

[cronus]

Action moved to Brussels now, how do you explain that one you poets....?

[Jason]

A world without poetry is one not worth living in.

[Hermit]

Poets are paid what poetry is worth: not a lot.

[cronus]

Whilst trying to figure what all the latest atrocities mean, in the wider historical and economic context, people need to recall refugees are flooding through Europe and the questions might be more significant where entire towns are deluged by a flood of foreign speaking newcomers with so much questionable cultural baggage on their shoulders? It is interesting that the government as seen fit to place so many in poverty stricken areas like central Wales rather than the wealthier shires...? Anyone can see trouble will come - not wanted, but inevitable - by placing those with nought next to those with next-to-nought on a wealthy island like this....especially adding in the burnt down holiday cottages and they only belonged to wealthy Englishmen...

[Jason]

Whilst trying to figure what all the latest atrocities mean, in the wider historical and economic context, people need to recall refugees are flooding through Europe and the questions might be more significant where entire towns are deluged by a flood of foreign speaking newcomers with so much questionable cultural baggage on their shoulders? It is interesting that the government as seen fit to place so many in poverty stricken areas like central Wales rather than the wealthier shires...? Anyone can see trouble will come - not wanted, but inevitable - by placing those with nought next to those with next-to-nought on a wealthy island like this....especially adding in the burnt down holiday cottages and they only belonged to wealthy Englishmen...

Culture is valuable, but there has to be an agreed exchange rate and cultural exchange machines to monetize it. Sticking them in poverty-stricken areas could be seen as a new age of urban renewal - from a certain point of view.

[cronus]

Whilst trying to figure what all the latest atrocities mean, in the wider historical and economic context, people need to recall refugees are flooding through Europe and the questions might be more significant where entire towns are deluged by a flood of foreign speaking newcomers with so much questionable cultural baggage on their shoulders? It is interesting that the government as seen fit to place so many in poverty stricken areas like central Wales rather than the wealthier shires...? Anyone can see trouble will come - not wanted, but inevitable - by placing those with nought next to those with next-to-nought on a wealthy island like this....especially adding in the burnt down holiday cottages and they only belonged to wealthy Englishmen...

Culture is valuable, but there has to be an agreed exchange rate and cultural exchange machines to monetize it. Sticking them in poverty-stricken areas could be seen as a new age of urban renewal - from a certain point of view.

It will be at least as far as demolition goes....rebuilding might take a while longer.

[cronus]

Whilst trying to figure what all the latest atrocities mean, in the wider historical and economic context, people need to recall refugees are flooding through Europe and the questions might be more significant where entire towns are deluged by a flood of foreign speaking newcomers with so much questionable cultural baggage on their shoulders? It is interesting that the government as seen fit to place so many in poverty stricken areas like central Wales rather than the wealthier shires...? Anyone can see trouble will come - not wanted, but inevitable - by placing those with nought next to those with next-to-nought on a wealthy island like this....especially adding in the burnt down holiday cottages and they only belonged to wealthy Englishmen...

Culture is valuable, but there has to be an agreed exchange rate and cultural exchange machines to monetize it. Sticking them in poverty-stricken areas could be seen as a new age of urban renewal - from a certain point of view.

It will be at least as far as demolition goes....rebuilding might take a while longer.