Calls for mosques to be closed after Paris attacks

[Rum]

You couldn't make it up. Trump tears up the constitution.

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/11/16/polit ... d=18792239


Donald Trump on Monday suggested he would "strongly consider" shutting down mosques in the U.S. as part of the response to the terror attacks in Paris.

"Well, I would hate to do it but it's something you're going to have to strongly consider," Trump said during an interview on MSNBC. "Some of the absolute hatred is coming from these areas...The hatred is incredible. It's embedded. The hatred is beyond belief. The hatred is greater than anybody understands."

[Sean Hayden]

Nobody clowns better than merica.

[MrJonno]

How would getting Muslims to pray and meet in private (as opposed to a Mosque that anyone can walk into) make anyone safer?

[Sean Hayden]

Well, it could. But that's going to be a difficult number to come up with.

[JimC]

If mosques were only closed after clear evidence that jihad was being preached there, it would send a message as to the degree of religious toleration that is acceptable, and the consequences of crossing that line.

An alternative, which might appeal to sneaky security types is to not close such mosques down, but to bug them very, very thoroughly...

[klr]

You couldn't make it up. Trump tears up the constitution.

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/11/16/polit ... d=18792239


Donald Trump on Monday suggested he would "strongly consider" shutting down mosques in the U.S. as part of the response to the terror attacks in Paris.

"Well, I would hate to do it but it's something you're going to have to strongly consider," Trump said during an interview on MSNBC. "Some of the absolute hatred is coming from these areas...The hatred is incredible. It's embedded. The hatred is beyond belief. The hatred is greater than anybody understands."

Typical Trump bluster. Illegal, unworkable and divisive.

[cronus]

Closing them for a day. A sign of respect and admittance of corporate guilt and shame. Galvanise the moderate action so sorely missing from this religion?

[Hermit]

Closing them for a day. A sign of respect and admittance of corporate guilt and shame empathy and sorrow.

Galvanise the moderate action so sorely missing from this religion?

Also, sorely missing is action of moderate Christians when confronted by the likes of the Wesboro Baptists, Pastors calling for the execution of homosexuals and transgendered people, murder of doctors who perform abortions by Christian militants and so forth.

[cronus]

Closing them for a day. A sign of respect and admittance of corporate guilt and shame empathy and sorrow.

Galvanise the moderate action so sorely missing from this religion?

Also, sorely missing is action of moderate Christians when confronted by the likes of the Wesboro Baptists, Pastors calling for the execution of homosexuals and transgendered people, murder of doctors who perform abortions by Christian militants and so forth.

That's maybe so. Except the Westboro Baptists of Islam own Saudi Arabia, Islams key monuments, and vast swathes of the M.E. rather than being a fringe sect obvious to all....so a slightly different weighting there requiring a slightly different angle for change.

[Hermit]

You make it sound as though the governments of Saudi Arabia, Islams key monuments, and vast swathes of the M.E. would allow their people to voice their opinions. Are you trying to be funny?

Besides,

in an official statement, Iranian president Hassan Rouhani called the attacks a "crime against humanity."

Indonesian president Joko Widodo condemned the "violence that took place in Paris," and called for more international cooperation to fight terrorism.

Qatar’s foreign minister Khaled al-Attiyah denounced the "heinous attacks," adding, "these acts, which target stability and security in France are against all human and moral values."

Kuwaiti Emir Sheikh Sabah al-Sabah called the attacks "criminal acts of terrorism which run counter to all teachings of holy faith and humanitarian values."

The Saudi foreign ministry called for global cooperation to "root out this dangerous and destructive plague."

And all of that was said within hours of the terrorist acts, with more joining in shortly after, but the news sources you consult don't tell you any of it.

[cronus]

What part of 'lip service' don't you understand? And as for Iran...hardly neutral on the sh'at vs sh'ah divide...

[Hermit]

What part of 'lip service' don't you understand?

Sounds familiar. Oh, right, that's the Sethian retort: He keeps saying all atheists are liars every time someone points out that most of them believe the non-existence of gods cannot ultimately be proven. Nice move.

That said, I think Saudi Arabia does support Salafism financially, and has done so for decades. Doesn't mean the Saudi people agree with the royal family. They just don't have a say in the matter.

[cronus]

What part of 'lip service' don't you understand?

Sounds familiar. Oh, right, that's the Sethian retort: He keeps saying all atheists are liars every time someone points out that most of them believe the non-existence of gods cannot ultimately be proven. Nice move.

That said, I think Saudi Arabia does support Salafism financially, and has done so for decades. Doesn't mean the Saudi people agree with the royal family. They just don't have a say in the matter.

The people won't revolt without trying going further to the religious right first. Unlike the US there is no history of democracy across vast swathes of the M.E.. Unlike Seth I don't believe it can be bombed into place. I propose a famine to mix up the pieces. Not a by product of external meddling, a result of the cargo-cult mentality of fundy religions anywhere...in my metric of the situation famine is inevitable. (AKA as a partial Malthusian die-off etc...)

[Hermit]

Nice move there, Scump.

[cronus]

Nice move there, Scump.

My worldview is a larger one, nothing more.