Levels of trust between people in Britain on the decline

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Levels of trust between people in Britain on the decline

Post by cronus » Sat Nov 14, 2015 10:25 am

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 34101.html

Levels of trust between people in Britain on the decline

Levels of trust between people in Britain have declined and stagnated over the last 60 years with profound implications for the country’s future prosperity and economic growth, a senior Government adviser has warned.

Just 30 per cent of the public believe “most people can be trusted” while nearly 70 per cent say you “need to be very careful” when dealing with strangers, figures from the World Values Surveyreveal.

The numbers are significantly lower than when the question was first asked in the 1950s when nearly 60 per cent of the public believed that strangers could be trusted. Even in the 1980s, British trust levels stood at around 40 per cent.

Now David Halpern, the head of the Behavioural Insights Team that advises ministers on the formulation of Government policy across Whitehall, is calling for greater attention to be paid to increasing trust levels in society as an integral part of economic growth strategy.

“When you look at the figures it is remarkable,” he said. “Social trust seems to be a powerful predictor of economic growth and a lack of trust can stunt national economic growth rates. This really is super important. It is quite astonishing that people very rarely look at social capital when looking at how to encourage economic growth.”

(continued, over-run with foreigners and most of them don't speak French....no wonder trust in France is worse than here...)

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Post by mistermack » Sat Nov 14, 2015 12:12 pm

It's not all down to any one thing.
I'm 65. Sixty years ago, people were far less mobile. They hardly ever moved home, and far more people lived in the country.
Now people generally live in cities and suburbs. They get around anonymously in cars, not socially on buses. They don't meet at church etc.
If you know everyone locally, and everyone knows you, you are taking a big chance, stealing, mugging, or defrauding people. You will get caught in no time.

But now, you can easily remain anonymous, so you can get away with stuff that you never could before.

Add to that, the mass immigration that we've had. An awful lot of crime started up with the influx of foreign people from poor countries. You didn't need to lock your doors sixty years ago, but that changed pretty quick, as immigration got going. And the crime culture that immigrants brought with them spread to the indigenous people via the kids.
I have a friend who was brought up in Barbados, and when he came here, he would steal absolutely anything. Stuff that it really wouldn't occur to you to take. And other kids soon started copying him.
He's a nice guy, but boy, was he a tea-leaf.

Of course, there were thieves about before, but they were a much tinier minority.
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Post by MrJonno » Sat Nov 14, 2015 12:25 pm

I actually think its because people have become richer and now have a lot more to lose. I do get a bit sick of people blaming nasty right wing governments for everything when it is in fact nasty right wing electorates that put them there which should be more of a concern
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Post by MrJonno » Mon Nov 16, 2015 6:30 pm

Just want to post what happened to me today , sort of relevant to this

While walking to work in rush hour Birmingham I found a man collapsed in the middle of the street. People just walking around him and even over him. I did think for a couple of seconds not my problem but I am trained in first aid but I had never used it before and hey it cost my company several hundred pounds so might as well use it

So I get down to the floor and he is roughly the recovery position, clearly unconscious but breathing. I've got little sense of smell but his clothes looked very rough so he could be drunk. Trying gentle tried to rouse him but with no luck. Not taking any chances I dial 999 the ambulance would take 15-20 minutes.

During that time I'm talking the operator and checking on this guy. All very boring but that's not the point of this tale.

During this 20 minutes roughly a 1000 + people must have walked past or walked over this guy. They saw him they simple didn't care. There were 2 exceptions after about 10 minutes a French lady did stop and asked me if anyone had called an ambulance and about 20 minutes later about a minute or two before an ambulance turned up a nurse came to investigate.

So in the middle of the UK 2nd biggest city out of at least a 1000 people who could have helped you got the following

1) Me, I'm a selfish bastard that doesn't spend an awful lot of time thinking of the poor or others but was prepared to spend 20 minutes of my companies time to help someone who was unconscious. Do I really care about the long term welfare of some alcoholic no really , sure he will be dead in a couple of years but hey not my problem

2) A French lady (in France its a criminal offence not to give aid)
3) A nurse who I'm sure is very nice person but is actually paid to do this

Apart from that a 1000 + people walking over a potential dead or dying person (you couldn't actually tell he was a tramp unless you bend down to have a look).

Have to admit when I've said most people couldnt give a shit if the poor live or die I was thinking as long as they die out of sight but no people really don't give a shit if you keel over in the street. They will probably moan when the body starts rotting and they have kicked out all the immigrants who might clean up the mess

So carry on pretending people will vote for a better more caring world, you will lose elections and won't help anyone. Probably better of giving money to charity than expecting the public as a whole to make any real sacrifices via their taxes.

Anyway the drunk was beginning to come around when the ambulance turned up and they said he was a regular. What happened to him after?. Don't know and don't really care because I'm a selfish bastard but if I'm a selfish bastard what does that make the commuters of Birmingham
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Post by Sean Hayden » Mon Nov 16, 2015 6:47 pm

Perhaps you should consider the possibility that all the people that walked passed him had a better understanding of the situation than you.

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Post by cronus » Mon Nov 16, 2015 6:51 pm

Sean Hayden wrote:Perhaps you should consider the possibility that all the people that walked passed him had a better understanding of the situation than you.
If I'd seen someone competently dealing with a emergency then I wouldn't want to stand still and draw a crowd, that might get in the way of a ambulance. :read:
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Post by MrJonno » Mon Nov 16, 2015 6:51 pm

Well I sure hope a 1000 doctors didnt walk past with a better diagnosis of why someone is unconscious than I did, now that would be even worse (the nurse asked me if I had called an ambulance)
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Post by Sean Hayden » Mon Nov 16, 2015 7:02 pm

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Post by MrJonno » Mon Nov 16, 2015 7:20 pm

Difference this was the (rather narrow) high street and they were middle of it. I'm sure I've walked pass people in sleeping bags in the corner but this guy inconveniently collapses in a way to disrupt people getting to work. You could not tell he was a tramp without stopping to have a look
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Re: Levels of trust between people in Britain on the decline

Post by Sean Hayden » Mon Nov 16, 2015 7:28 pm

You couldn't anyway...

I think it's good you stopped if you felt it was necessary. I don't know what we can say about how people will vote based on this experience, but I guess it's interesting to speculate.

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Re: Levels of trust between people in Britain on the decline

Post by Sean Hayden » Mon Nov 16, 2015 7:30 pm

Scumple wrote:
Sean Hayden wrote:Perhaps you should consider the possibility that all the people that walked passed him had a better understanding of the situation than you.
If I'd seen someone competently dealing with a emergency then I wouldn't want to stand still and draw a crowd, that might get in the way of a ambulance. :read:
How very considerate of you. :tiphat:

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Post by laklak » Mon Nov 16, 2015 7:32 pm

Well, I certainly don't trust you LImey bastards, not since the press gangs.
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Post by JimC » Mon Nov 16, 2015 8:27 pm

Scumple wrote:
Sean Hayden wrote:Perhaps you should consider the possibility that all the people that walked passed him had a better understanding of the situation than you.
If I'd seen someone competently dealing with a emergency then I wouldn't want to stand still and draw a crowd, that might get in the way of a ambulance. :read:
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Post by Collector1337 » Tue Nov 17, 2015 9:06 am

Gee, I wonder if the massive demographic change has anything to do with it.
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Post by Hermit » Tue Nov 17, 2015 10:10 am

Collector1337 wrote:Gee, I wonder if the massive demographic change has anything to do with it.
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