This must be faked...

[Seth]

This could not have happened...after all, bad people can't get guns in Australia because it's illegal...so nobody needs guns to protect themselves with.

Fucking idiots.

[mistermack]

This could not have happened...after all, bad people can't get guns in Australia because it's illegal...so nobody needs guns to protect themselves with.

Fucking idiots.

Talking about fucking idiots, the victim was shot in the back of the head.
Not really something having a gun would have prevented.

But yes, the kid got a gun, and killed a man.
The Oregon killer had THIRTEEN guns, at least TWELVE of which were legally owned. And he killed NINE people.

So that's nine to one in deaths, thirteen to one in guns owned. Sorry, loser, in this country, we don't shoot our mouths off, when we've just lost by nine to one.

[Xamonas Chegwé]

One example of gun death in a country with reasonably stringent control does NOT trump the hundreds of multiple gun homicides since Sandy Hook.

Your cognitive bias is a wonder to behold, Seth.

[JimC]

And within a minute he was dead, shot by armed police. There is no way that this would have been prevented by US style gun laws. In fact, that would simply make incidences like this more common, with more guns floating around for islamic nutters to use...

It will be an interesting question as to where he got the illegal gun. Hopefully, it will be discovered to have been passed to him by a fundamentalist cleric, who is then shot as he resists arrest...

[Seth]

This could not have happened...after all, bad people can't get guns in Australia because it's illegal...so nobody needs guns to protect themselves with.

Fucking idiots.

Talking about fucking idiots, the victim was shot in the back of the head.
Not really something having a gun would have prevented.

But yes, the kid got a gun, and killed a man.
The Oregon killer had THIRTEEN guns, at least TWELVE of which were legally owned. And he killed NINE people.

And "the kid" had one gun, which was utterly illegal for him to possess, and yet he possessed it. How can that have possibly happened in "gun-free Australia?"

So that's nine to one in deaths, thirteen to one in guns owned. Sorry, loser, in this country, we don't shoot our mouths off, when we've just lost by nine to one.

Er, the point is that where citizens are debarred the use of arms, killers will seek out those places and kill people without opposition, and it happens in Australia just like it happens here. Had "the kid" gone to a school the toll would likely have been even higher, given how much longer it takes for someone with a gun to respond (can you say "Port Arthur...3 hours") to put a stop to it.

As it was a military vet did the right thing and got shot five times for taking immediate and direct action to stop the shooter. Had he been lawfully armed, it's quite possible nobody but the killer would have died. But that sort of logic is clearly beyond you.

[Seth]

One example of gun death in a country with reasonably stringent control does NOT trump the hundreds of multiple gun homicides since Sandy Hook.

Your cognitive bias is a wonder to behold, Seth.

It points out the obvious failure in the logic of Australian gun control, which once again failed utterly to control one teenage kid from getting an entirely illegal gun and using it in a fucking POLICE STATION to kill someone. Had he chosen a school, like the Dunblane killer did, or perhaps a recreational resort, like the Port Arthur killer did, the toll would likely have been much higher.

The only pertinent issue in all of those cases, and in these cases, is that in the US there is at least a chance that someone will be armed and able to take action quickly enough to save lives, while in Australia, and NZ, and most of Europe, there is zero chance of that happening.

[Seth]

And within a minute he was dead, shot by armed police.

Um...because he was outside of a police station, or had that fact eluded you? Had he chosen a soft target like an elementary school some distance from a police station he would have been able to kill as many children as he had bullets and then shot himself LONG before an armed policeman arrived.

There is no way that this would have been prevented by US style gun laws.

There is no way that this (or the Oregon shooting) can be prevented by any law on earth that was, is or will ever be. You see, it's already illegal to kill people or possess a gun for the purposes of doing so. The ONLY way that such things can be prevented, or stopped after they have started, is for someone with a gun to kill the shooter, and the amount of time it takes for someone to get to the scene and do so is directly proportional to the number of people who get killed before he can do so.

In fact, that would simply make incidences like this more common, with more guns floating around for islamic nutters to use...

Not if the army vet who used his body to protect others had been carrying a gun and had shot the killer dead. Or anybody else in the room for that matter.

Never lie down, always attack, en masse.

[JimC]

For US gun massacres, it always seems to be "if" someone in proximity was armed...

For all your vaunted "protection by armed civilians", it doesn't happen much...

[mistermack]

For US gun massacres, it always seems to be "if" someone in proximity was armed...

For all your vaunted "protection by armed civilians", it doesn't happen much...

It's the most stupid argument, but gun-lovers never tire of making it.

"If this happened" or "if that happened" then "so-and-so could have done this".

"If you make sure there are no guns" then there will be no shootings. Simple.

Not simple enough for Seth, but then, what is ?

[Xamonas Chegwé]

Seth was wrong again. I think. Didn't read it but it was something about guns, so it's a fair bet he was sputed wankery as usual.

[Tero]

Seth was wrong again. I think. Didn't read it but it was something about guns, so it's a fair bet he was sputed wankery as usual.

Farhad Jabar Khalil Mohammad stormed police headquarters in Parramatta

Googling, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parramatta

Something about guns and Australia and Seth. Check, case closed. Not important.

[Rum]

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-i ... are_btn_fb

[Collector1337]

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-i ... are_btn_fb

okay... now take out all of the shootings committed by non-whites and see how the numbers look then...

[JimC]

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-i ... are_btn_fb

okay... now take out all of the shootings committed by non-whites and see how the numbers look then...

So, everything is the fault of them damn niggers, eh Collector?

How are you at lighting crosses?

[mistermack]

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-i ... are_btn_fb

okay... now take out all of the shootings committed by non-whites and see how the numbers look then...

Now take out all of the shootings committed by people with guns, and see what the numbers look like.
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