What's happened to Angela Merkle's brain?

[JimC]

We don't know the facts. Therefore we know the facts. You're becoming downright Sethian, Mack.

Without knowing the answer in advance (although one might speculate), is it reasonable to ask the question "do recent immigrants have a significantly higher crime rate?". The proviso should be that the question, if it is to be answered, must come from hard, objective data, not via bias and one-off examples.

I get a feeling, however, that some people would regard it as politically incorrect to even pose the question.

[Hermit]

We don't know the facts. Therefore we know the facts. You're becoming downright Sethian, Mack.

Without knowing the answer in advance (although one might speculate), is it reasonable to ask the question "do recent immigrants have a significantly higher crime rate?". The proviso should be that the question, if it is to be answered, must come from hard, objective data, not via bias and one-off examples.

I get a feeling, however, that some people would regard it as politically incorrect to even pose the question.

Yes, exactly. The problem with the likes of MM is that he makes inferences out of the lack of data. Maybe he just wants to make members like Galaxian and RESiNATE look as if they are reasoning thinkers.

[rainbow]

Where are the figures for rapes, robberies and murders committed by recent immigrants? They are always kept suppressed.

That's a bit Donald Trumpish.

Except that I'm not trying to get elected. In any case, it's a fact.

If the mental process is the same, it is irrelevant whether you are trying to get elected.

Facts are there for everyone.

Indeed. Stick to them.

[NineBerry]

We don't know the facts. Therefore we know the facts. You're becoming downright Sethian, Mack.

Without knowing the answer in advance (although one might speculate), is it reasonable to ask the question "do recent immigrants have a significantly higher crime rate?". The proviso should be that the question, if it is to be answered, must come from hard, objective data, not via bias and one-off examples.

I get a feeling, however, that some people would regard it as politically incorrect to even pose the question.

There have been reports by local police from different German municipalities that over the last years an increase of refugees in the areas did not lead to an increase in criminal activity (if you ignore crimes that only refugees can commit because of their residence status).

[mistermack]

We don't know the facts. Therefore we know the facts. You're becoming downright Sethian, Mack.

As far as I'm concerned, it's so obvious, it's beyond dispute, and not even worth looking up.
If you saw the british crimewatch, a monthly crime program of serious recent crime investigations, and mugshots of wanted criminals, it's hugely dominated by recent immigrants. And the BBC bend over backwards to give the opposite impression, but they can't find enough white british crime.
It's there, but it's swamped by immigrant crime. But just for your benefit I googled immigrant crime, and this was the first thing I saw :

It was reported in 2007 that more than one-fifth of solved crimes in London was committed by immigrants. Around a third of all solved, reported sex offences and a half of all solved, reported frauds in the capital were carried out by non-British citizens.

But if you were to dig a little deeper, it's worse than that. Because what DOESN'T get included in those figures, is crimes of the children of immigrants. Which, going by crimewatch, is the bulk of british crime.

That doesn't leave much crime for the non-immigrant population.
It's clear that most of the crime is coming from the minority section of immigrants, or immigrant stock.

If it was something that they didn't want to hide, you would just be able to look at the government statistics. But like I said, it's suppressed. The information is there, but it's never ever mentioned in the media.

History[edit]
In 2003 Lee Jasper, a race advisor to the London mayor, said drugs and gun crime were the "biggest threat to the black community since its arrival here".[4]
In 2007, after a series of murders committed by black people, prime minister Tony Blair attributed them to a distinctive black culture: "the black community (...) need to be mobilised in denunciation of this gang culture that is killing innocent young black kids. But we won't stop this by pretending it isn't young black kids doing it."[5] Some from the black community criticised his remarks.[6]
Gang involvement is said to be a "continuing problem" in the community.[7] African-Caribbean people are underrepresented in white-collar crime.[8]
Some commentators have argued that the issue of black people and crime is hidden away or downplayed, and that the fear of accusations of racism may have contributed to this.[9][10]
The Metropolitan Police Service is one of the few police forces which has collected statistics on gang rape. Filmmaker Sorious Samura compiled 29 such incidents involving young people from January 2006 to March 2009, and found that, of 92 people convicted, 66 were black or mixed race. Samura said he found it "impossible to ignore the fact that such a high proportion were committed by black and mixed-race young men".[11]

[Hermit]

It was reported in 2007 that more than one-fifth of solved crimes in London was committed by immigrants. Around a third of all solved, reported sex offences and a half of all solved, reported frauds in the capital were carried out by non-British citizens.

But if you were to dig a little deeper...

...you'll discover that the report was an article appearing in The Daily Telegraph eight years ago.

As anywhere in the world, people tend to become what you tell them they are, and when you treat them like shits they become shits. Nothing surprising about that.

[mistermack]

It was reported in 2007 that more than one-fifth of solved crimes in London was committed by immigrants. Around a third of all solved, reported sex offences and a half of all solved, reported frauds in the capital were carried out by non-British citizens.

But if you were to dig a little deeper...

...you'll discover that the report was an article appearing in The Daily Telegraph eight years ago.

As anywhere in the world, people tend to become what you tell them they are, and when you treat them like shits they become shits. Nothing surprising about that.

No, I've never read the Telegraph. You don't have to look anywhere near that far.

If you bother to dig with your own eyes, you will notice that that paragraph refers to IMMIGRANTS and NON BRITISH CITIZENS.
That clearly doesn't include the children and grandchildren of immigrants.
So those shocking figures are just of people not born in Britain. Add the crimes committed by British born people of immigrant stock, and you have a huge number.

[Hermit]

MM, the Wikipedia bit you quoted is sourced from an article that appeared in the Telegraph eight years ago. The "facts" are also full of shit. Have a look at how the journalist arrived at "one-fifth of solved crimes" to begin with. It's extrapolation central with none of an entire fleet of assumptions necessary to get it going checked - let alone confirmed - for accuracy.

[mistermack]

If you want official Ministry of Justice figures :

Black, 2.7% of the national population. But are 13.7% of the prison population.

Strangely enough, stuff like that never gets mentioned in the Media. If the Telegraph DID mention it, then fair play to them. I still won't be buying it though.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_ ... ed_Kingdom

[Hermit]

If you want official Ministry of Justice figures :

Black, 2.7% of the national population. But are 13.7% of the prison population.

Strangely enough, stuff like that never gets mentioned in the Media

Actually, it does. That's I knew about it before you brought it up, and that's how I know similar figures pertain to prison populations in Australia and the USA.

As I mentioned before, people tend to become what you tell them they are, and when you treat them like shits they become shits. Nothing surprising about that.

[mistermack]

As I mentioned before, people tend to become what you tell them they are, and when you treat them like shits they become shits. Nothing surprising about that.

That's the most pathetic thing you've ever posted.
Society is to blame? Fuck off !

[Hermit]

Well argued. So well, I am convinced that society is not to blame. You've earnt my and everybody else's unending gratitude.

[rainbow]

If you want official Ministry of Justice figures :

Black, 2.7% of the national population. But are 13.7% of the prison population.

Strangely enough, stuff like that never gets mentioned in the Media. If the Telegraph DID mention it, then fair play to them. I still won't be buying it though.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_ ... ed_Kingdom

You saw it on the internet, so it must be true. There are also pictures of goblins and unicorns.

[mistermack]

Well argued. So well, I am convinced that society is not to blame. You've earnt my and everybody else's unending gratitude.

You should have been a lawyer. That way, making excuses for the little shits might have made you some money.

[mistermack]

If you want official Ministry of Justice figures :

Black, 2.7% of the national population. But are 13.7% of the prison population.

Strangely enough, stuff like that never gets mentioned in the Media. If the Telegraph DID mention it, then fair play to them. I still won't be buying it though.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_ ... ed_Kingdom

You saw it on the internet, so it must be true. There are also pictures of goblins and unicorns.

I saw it on Wikpedia, who attributed it to the Ministry of Justice. And they should know.
I gave you the link.