Welsh Muslimac Killed By UK Drone

[cronus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDpdjRCQAR4

Cameron reveals RAF drone strike killed Cardiff jihadi in ISIS capital to stop 'direct threat' to British people

British military forces have killed three ISIS militants in ISIS, including a Briton plotting 'murder on our streets', David Cameron revealed today.
The Prime Minister defended the decision to launch military action in Syria without asking for MPs to approve airstrikes in advance.

Reyaad Khan, 21, from Cardiff, was killed in response to a 'direct threat' to the British people. Two other ISIS militants, including British national Ruhul Amin, were also killed in the drone strike in Raqqa on August 21.
It also emerged that Briton Junaid Hussain was killed by the United States in an airstrike on August 24.

The Prime Minister said Hussain and Khan were plotting 'barbaric' attacks against 'high profile public commemorations' in Britain this summer.
It is the first time that a British attack has been launched in a foreign country outside of a war.

Mr Cameron said there were 15 ISIS-related attacks around the world in the whole of 2014. This year alone there has been more than 150. He announced that six terror attacks on Britain have been foiled this year.
'If there is a direct threat to the British people and we are able to stop it taking immediate action then as Prime Minister I will take that action,' Mr Cameron said.
The Prime Minister insisted that the drone strike was 'entirely lawful' after taking legal advice from the Attorney General.

'We were exercising the UK's inherent right to self-defence. There was clear evidence of the individuals in question planning and directing armed attacks against the UK.


(continued, bad combination Welsh Muslim -little green dragon of jealousy squared...)

[Brian Peacock]

And so, on the day when Cameron chose to remind us about the ever-presentness of 'The Terror' and bind that to his government's decidedly tepid response to the refugee crisis, we are also encouraged to applaud the fact that Britain now endorses the summary execution of its own citizens. Not a great day really.

[cronus]

And so, on the day when Cameron chose to remind us about the ever-presentness of 'The Terror' and bind that to his government's decidedly tepid response to the refugee crisis, we are also encouraged to applaud the fact that Britain now endorses the summary execution of its own citizens. Not a great day really.

Old ways...different times. If you have the facts, which someone at the apex of power should have in a modern state, and fail to act on them?

[Seth]

Gotta love it. Sent to Paradise and his 72 Andrea Dworkin look-alike eternally-PMSing virgins as 'humanely" as possible.

Reyaad: "There is one God and Allah is his... (BOOM!) ...Prophet...WHAT THE FUCK!!??"

Allah: "Oh, hi Reyaad, welcome to Paradise...if you can call it that."

Reyaad: "What the fuck just happened to me? I was just getting ready to go kill some infidels and all of a sudden I'm here?"

Allah: "Those Hellfire missiles are a bitch, aren't they? Anyway, here's your virgins, there's the door. I suggest you run away as fast as you can because a Hellfire is nothing compared to those 72 bitches."

[cronus]

Passed some drone operators outside Greg's earlier. Seemed a bit chuffed with themselves.

[Rum]

Forget the context. Serves the fucker right.

[laklak]

Pretty much. Don't want to get offed by a drone? Don't go join ISIS. Straight line computation, don't need a Mentat for that.

[Xamonas Chegwé]

I would like to know a few things...

The government is putting forward a "self-defence" justification, claiming that there was a clear and present danger of an atrocity being committed on the British mainland. (Some sources claim this was a plot to kill Mrs Queen during the poppy day festivities.) so...

• How did the killing of two people in a far-off land prevent this atrocity?
• How reliable is the intelligence that led to this conclusion? Is it (a) more reliable or (b) less reliable than that which "proved" that Saddam Hussein was amassing WMDs?
• Had these people been in the UK at the time, would drone strikes have been employed? If not, why not? Surely self-defence is self-defence?
• Why wait (and I know the answer to this one!) until weeks later, on the same day that you announce how many, and what kind of, Syrian refugees the UK is prepared to take (there's your answer), to inform parliament and the people about this? After all, it was not a covert operation but one carried out, in the open, by the RAF. So why the secrecy?

That said, while I abhor the taking of any life, for any reason, these two will cause me much less grief than most! Barely the shadow of a premature grieflet, in fact.

[Brian Peacock]

And so, on the day when Cameron chose to remind us about the ever-presentness of 'The Terror' and bind that to his government's decidedly tepid response to the refugee crisis, we are also encouraged to applaud the fact that Britain now endorses the summary execution of its own citizens. Not a great day really.

Old ways...different times. If you have the facts, which someone at the apex of power should have in a modern state, and fail to act on them?

Assassinating UK Muslims abroad is not going to do anything to stop Muslims killing people either over there or over here.

[cronus]

And so, on the day when Cameron chose to remind us about the ever-presentness of 'The Terror' and bind that to his government's decidedly tepid response to the refugee crisis, we are also encouraged to applaud the fact that Britain now endorses the summary execution of its own citizens. Not a great day really.

Old ways...different times. If you have the facts, which someone at the apex of power should have in a modern state, and fail to act on them?

Assassinating UK Muslims abroad is not going to do anything to stop Muslims killing people either over there or over here.

That's my opinion also. Single killings achieve nothing. The use of gas via drones to inflict mass casualties will both subdue and weaken a population. Not the Welsh, the Isis lot. Might appear to be inhumane. But it'll leave infrastructure intact for further generations and so save lives in the long run...so double win.

[JimC]

And so, on the day when Cameron chose to remind us about the ever-presentness of 'The Terror' and bind that to his government's decidedly tepid response to the refugee crisis, we are also encouraged to applaud the fact that Britain now endorses the summary execution of its own citizens. Not a great day really.

Old ways...different times. If you have the facts, which someone at the apex of power should have in a modern state, and fail to act on them?

Assassinating UK Muslims abroad is not going to do anything to stop Muslims killing people either over there or over here.

Well, it may, you know. If the people killed by the drone were indeed part of a group planning terrorist actions back in the UK, at least those plans have received a set back. I understand that a certain amount of scepticism about government claims is necessary, but it doesn't rule out the possibility that they were in fact correct in this case.

Even if this were not the case, killing any active military operative of ISIS is perfectly reasonable, IMO... If no Western air attacks whatsoever had occurred since the rise of ISIS, it would seem very likely that they would currently have a wider range of territory and people under their thumbs, and a greater range of resources available to commit more terrorist acts.

[Rum]

Parliament voted against direct military intervention in this area some time ago. This drone attack was, according to Cameron's statement yesterday, a response - 'self defence' in fact, to a known planned attack on the UK by the people involved.

[cronus]

They wanted to kill the Queen. It is only right and proper to smoke them first. After all, look who'll inherit the throne if they'd succeeded?

[Seth]

I say that joining ISIS automatically makes you a stateless person and an outlaw, which means that anyone can kill you anywhere, any time, with any weapon and not have to even bat an eye. I'd like to see an Internet "Outlaw List" of identified ISIS members with "Wanted Dead...not Alive." LItter the middle-east with flyers telling anyone who wants to kill anyone on the list they will not face prosecution in any civilized nation on earth for killing these scumbags.

If you want to live outside the law, then the protection of the law must be withdrawn from you.

[JimC]

I say that joining ISIS automatically makes you a stateless person and an outlaw, which means that anyone can kill you anywhere, any time, with any weapon and not have to even bat an eye. I'd like to see an Internet "Outlaw List" of identified ISIS members with "Wanted Dead...not Alive." LItter the middle-east with flyers telling anyone who wants to kill anyone on the list they will not face prosecution in any civilized nation on earth for killing these scumbags.

If you want to live outside the law, then the protection of the law must be withdrawn from you.

I partly agree. If you become an active military member of ISIS (and not just one of their servants etc.), then you are fair game for killing in any situation which does not involve killing civilians just to get you. Also, in some situations, they can and should be given the option to surrender, if only to gain useful intelligence via interrogation.