Why creationists can laugh at atheist feminists?

[DaveDodo007]

You seem to want to define yourself by who you think are out to get you - you only know what you are not, not what you are. You should have a chat with Seth about that.

Oh I can do more than that, when I'm demonised for just being a straight white male and therefore guilty of original sin I know my enemies are racists sexists cunts. Seth bless him but he just has to make assuptions about the left and feminists, I on the other hand was one of the left and extreme left. I know them and I know how they think. I'm well aware of the tactics they employ because (to my shame) I did it to. 'There are no bad tactics only bad targets', 'the end justifies the means', 'shame them', 'insult them', 'stop or limit their free speech', 'block or censor them', 'protest to the max whenever they try to speak.' Jesus, my own brother said that if Dave Cameron was in the same room as us he would throw him out the window (I live on the thrid floor.) My best mate from uni agreed with him when i told him about it. The left are othering people, they are demonising them so everything is permissible. It's like 'it's OK when we do it' because it's for the greater good.

[rainbow]

I'm going to post here just to voice my disapproval of the posters who keep Rationalia going.

The irony is palpable. It is precisely the refugees from ratskep that increasingly keep this forum going with their ideologically driven drivel.

Show me an ism that I follow?

Cretinism?

[Brian Peacock]

You seem to want to define yourself by who you think are out to get you - you only know what you are not, not what you are. You should have a chat with Seth about that.

Oh I can do more than that, when I'm demonised for just being a straight white male and therefore guilty of original sin I know my enemies are racists sexists cunts. Seth bless him but he just has to make assuptions about the left and feminists, I on the other hand was one of the left and extreme left. I know them and I know how they think. I'm well aware of the tactics they employ because (to my shame) I did it to. 'There are no bad tactics only bad targets', 'the end justifies the means', 'shame them', 'insult them', 'stop or limit their free speech', 'block or censor them', 'protest to the max whenever they try to speak.' Jesus, my own brother said that if Dave Cameron was in the same room as us he would throw him out the window (I live on the thrid floor.) My best mate from uni agreed with him when i told him about it. The left are othering people, they are demonising them so everything is permissible. It's like 'it's OK when we do it' because it's for the greater good.

[JimC]

Jism-ism!

The ideology of wankers from all over the world!

[DaveDodo007]

You seem to want to define yourself by who you think are out to get you - you only know what you are not, not what you are. You should have a chat with Seth about that.

Oh I can do more than that, when I'm demonised for just being a straight white male and therefore guilty of original sin I know my enemies are racists sexists cunts. Seth bless him but he just has to make assuptions about the left and feminists, I on the other hand was one of the left and extreme left. I know them and I know how they think. I'm well aware of the tactics they employ because (to my shame) I did it to. 'There are no bad tactics only bad targets', 'the end justifies the means', 'shame them', 'insult them', 'stop or limit their free speech', 'block or censor them', 'protest to the max whenever they try to speak.' Jesus, my own brother said that if Dave Cameron was in the same room as us he would throw him out the window (I live on the thrid floor.) My best mate from uni agreed with him when i told him about it. The left are othering people, they are demonising them so everything is permissible. It's like 'it's OK when we do it' because it's for the greater good.

Well refuted there, what with your compelling arguments an all. Anyway I'm back and ready to go so surely their should be a song for this:

[Brian Peacock]

Even if I did refute your 'argument' (whatever it might be - looks more like an anecdote to me, anyway) would it stop you casting yourself as a anonymous, oppressed, helpless victim?

Swing by next month and tell us.

[DaveDodo007]

Even if I did refute your 'argument' (whatever it might be - looks more like an anecdote to me, anyway) would it stop you casting yourself as a anonymous, oppressed, helpless victim?

Swing by next month and tell us.

I'm against the victim narrative especially when used to curb free speech, do keep up.

[DaveDodo007]

I need feminism so I can rape your mother in hell.

[Brian Peacock]

Even if I did refute your 'argument' (whatever it might be - looks more like an anecdote to me, anyway) would it stop you casting yourself as a anonymous, oppressed, helpless victim?

Swing by next month and tell us.

I'm against the victim narrative especially when used to curb free speech, do keep up.

That maybe so, but you freely deploy it when you're looking to bolster your credentials and the primacy of your point of view.

Your views are a parody of themselves.

[DaveDodo007]

I don't get you Brian, if you really cared about feminism why do you defend its present toxic nature? Where will 'kill all men', 'I bathe in male tears' and 'all men are rapists' help to recruit allies to the cause? MLK jr would have really made head way if he was saying kill all whites, I'm sure that would have been a successful way to do out reach.

Present number of Americans who call themselves feminists.

http://www.vox.com/2015/4/8/8372417/fem ... ality-poll

18% That is down from 28% in two years, that's over a third in two years. I as an anti-feminist can undermine feminism by just quoting what feminists say, not what feminist critics say but what feminists say. Doesn't that give you pause for thought?

If you really cared about feminism you would fight the misardrists within feminism, not blindly defend it when they are clearly harming the cause, that's cultish behavour. I'm loving the demise of the man hating cunts and if you continue to support these toxic twats I will bathe in your tears too.

[Brian Peacock]

Generalising from the particular much?

[DaveDodo007]

Generalising from the particular much?

What type of answer is that? Any true activist movement wouldn't alienate 50% of the world's population if it wanted traction. I'm obviously happy feminism is treading water but you seem to be unconcerned by this fact. If you really believed feminism was a way to counter oppression against women you have a funny way of showing it. It looks like you just adopted the label as a form of virtue signalling (the whole 'good without god' bollocks) rather than you know doing any activism for the cause. You are not some hipster type goony beard are you because this looks like 'airport law' rite large.

[JimC]

Generalising from the particular much?

What type of answer is that? Any true activist movement wouldn't alienate 50% of the world's population if it wanted traction. I'm obviously happy feminism is treading water but you seem to be unconcerned by this fact. If you really believed feminism was a way to counter oppression against women you have a funny way of showing it. It looks like you just adopted the label as a form of virtue signalling (the whole 'good without god' bollocks) rather than you know doing any activism for the cause. You are not some hipster type goony beard are you because this looks like 'airport law' rite large.

You've missed his point. As many have pointed out before, you are generalising from one, narrow and rather extreme group of feminists to a much larger, general movement that simply does not include the over-the-top positions of the extreme minority.

[DaveDodo007]

Generalising from the particular much?

What type of answer is that? Any true activist movement wouldn't alienate 50% of the world's population if it wanted traction. I'm obviously happy feminism is treading water but you seem to be unconcerned by this fact. If you really believed feminism was a way to counter oppression against women you have a funny way of showing it. It looks like you just adopted the label as a form of virtue signalling (the whole 'good without god' bollocks) rather than you know doing any activism for the cause. You are not some hipster type goony beard are you because this looks like 'airport law' rite large.

You've missed his point. As many have pointed out before, you are generalising from one, narrow and rather extreme group of feminists to a much larger, general movement that simply does not include the over-the-top positions of the extreme minority.

No, you are missing the point. The number of people who are calling themselves feminist are dropping like flies. Now lets for the sake of argument say you are right, It's a couple of radfems which I'm focusing on, well they seem to be the only ones getting media attention nowadays. They are obviously toxic and make for bad public relations, yet there are no 'good feminists' countering their opinions. If feminism is needed to address any sexism in society why are the radfems allowed to promote the narrative. Even if you think feminism is a good thing it is being promoted in the worse way possible.Where are all the good feminists calling out the 'kill all men', 'I bathe in male tears' and 'rape culture' and other un-evidenced social constructs. Most people quite rightly believe in equality for all genders yet they want nothing to do with feminism, why do you think that is?

If you think feminism is really important for women's rights why aren't the man haters being called out for harming the cause, I really want an answer to this as it always gets brushed under the carpet? I mean Christina H. Sommers and Camille Paglia get told often that they are not true feminists (on whose authority.) Yet the man haters get a free ride and are never called into question. Why is it that anyone whom questions feminist is always called names and has to put up with shaming tactics rather than be met with logical arguments then censorship? If your cause is right and just shouldn't free speech be your ally.You would have to be seriously retarded not to believe in equal rights for everybody but feminism is a man hating cult and always has been.

[JimC]

Generalising from the particular much?

What type of answer is that? Any true activist movement wouldn't alienate 50% of the world's population if it wanted traction. I'm obviously happy feminism is treading water but you seem to be unconcerned by this fact. If you really believed feminism was a way to counter oppression against women you have a funny way of showing it. It looks like you just adopted the label as a form of virtue signalling (the whole 'good without god' bollocks) rather than you know doing any activism for the cause. You are not some hipster type goony beard are you because this looks like 'airport law' rite large.

You've missed his point. As many have pointed out before, you are generalising from one, narrow and rather extreme group of feminists to a much larger, general movement that simply does not include the over-the-top positions of the extreme minority.

No, you are missing the point. The number of people who are calling themselves feminist are dropping like flies. Now lets for the sake of argument say you are right, It's a couple of radfems which I'm focusing on, well they seem to be the only ones getting media attention nowadays. They are obviously toxic and make for bad public relations, yet there are no 'good feminists' countering their opinions. If feminism is needed to address any sexism in society why are the radfems allowed to promote the narrative. Even if you think feminism is a good thing it is being promoted in the worse way possible.Where are all the good feminists calling out the 'kill all men', 'I bathe in male tears' and 'rape culture' and other un-evidenced social constructs. Most people quite rightly believe in equality for all genders yet they want nothing to do with feminism, why do you think that is?

If you think feminism is really important for women's rights why aren't the man haters being called out for harming the cause, I really want an answer to this as it always gets brushed under the carpet? I mean Christina H. Sommers and Camille Paglia get told often that they are not true feminists (on whose authority.) Yet the man haters get a free ride and are never called into question. Why is it that anyone whom questions feminist is always called names and has to put up with shaming tactics rather than be met with logical arguments then censorship? If your cause is right and just shouldn't free speech be your ally.You would have to be seriously retarded not to believe in equal rights for everybody but feminism is a man hating cult and always has been.

You make some valid points as to the apparent lack of a robust critique by mainstream feminists against the crazy minority (although I suspect that there has been some critique, but it has not been trumpeted by the mainstream media). Yes, the truly irrational man-haters need to be called to account - none here would argue in support of there extremist positions.

But this does not change the fact that you consistently paint the broad feminist movement largely in terms of this minority; mainstream feminism should not be immune to fair criticism, but not by attacking a straw-woman...