US Supreme Cour: Gay marriage is legal nationwide

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Post by Doubtdispelled » Fri Jun 26, 2015 9:08 pm

jamest wrote:
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Scumple wrote:If I wasn't married already Gay marriage would appeal, knowing what women are like. Imagine a relationship with no dire mood swings at the end of every month? Heaven or what? :read:
Yeah, just imagine. You could instead settle for mood swings by the day, hour, or even the minute, instead. Heaven or what?

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I think he was just joking. There are many man jokes too... and given the choice to be offended or find amusement, I always go for the latter option. It's better for my blood pressure.
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I like to think that I made my comment in the same spirit that Scumple did, because I ain't entirely serious, and I always try not to judge people, never mind for the same failings that others (including myself) may have even when they are entirely unaware of them.....

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Post by jamest » Fri Jun 26, 2015 9:13 pm

You always struck me as being a bit saucy.

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Post by Doubtdispelled » Fri Jun 26, 2015 9:17 pm

jamest wrote:You always struck me as being a bit saucy.
And you always struck me as being a bit Benny Hill. :?
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Post by jamest » Fri Jun 26, 2015 9:22 pm

Oh dear, sorry.

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Post by pErvinalia » Sat Jun 27, 2015 12:09 am

Well that's it. I'm divorcing my goat now. :nono:
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Post by JimC » Sat Jun 27, 2015 12:31 am

rEvolutionist wrote:Well that's it. I'm divorcing my goat now. :nono:
You're kidding, right? :o
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Post by JimC » Sat Jun 27, 2015 12:32 am

One does rather hope that the Fred Phelps types will fall in apoplectic rages and have painful heart attacks...
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Post by Sælir » Sat Jun 27, 2015 1:31 am

laklak wrote:A gay marriage is much better than a miserable one.
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Post by cronus » Sat Jun 27, 2015 2:44 am

Any disaster in the near future afflicts the US guess what will be blamed....? :read:
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Post by JimC » Sat Jun 27, 2015 6:25 am

Scumple wrote:Any disaster in the near future afflicts the US guess what will be blamed....? :read:
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Re: US Supreme Cour: Gay marriage is legal nationwide

Post by Seth » Sat Jun 27, 2015 7:19 am

The problem with the ruling is not that it approved gay marriage, I don't care a bit about who marries whom or what and neither does the Constitution. The problem with this decision and the Obamacare decision that came out last week is that it shows that the Supreme Court is no longer a judicial body, it has vested itself with the power to make law rather than the limited power to review laws made by the legislature.

This is an extremely dangerous tack for the Court to take that endangers the rights of every single person, right, left or center, gay or straight.

With these two decisions the Court has finally and completely destroyed the fundamental fabric of the United States by unequivocally arrogating power to itself to redefine words (Obamacare case) and take it upon itself to create government power that simply exist nowhere in the Constitution.

Marriage in the US has NEVER been a federal matter, not being mentioned in the limited powers granted to Congress by the Constitution, and it has ALWAYS been the subject of state regulation under the 10th Amendment.

Worse, the rationale cited by the Court is simply not within their authority, and they simply ignored the one Constitutionally-sound provision of the Constitution that settled this issue years ago: The Full Faith and Credit provisions of the Constitution, which require that ALL states accept the official acts of the other states, which is why we don't have to get a driver's license for each state. Once the first state in the Union authorized gay marriage, every other state in the Union was obliged by those provisions to recognize and respect that governmental act.

Of course the simplest solution to the whole debacle is simply to expunge the word "marriage" from all federal and state statutes and expunge all programs, laws or benefits that accrue to "married persons" by virtue of that "marriage." That is the basis of this dispute; the fact that gay couples cannot enjoy the same government provided benefits and immunities as heterosexual couples who enjoy such perks under the mantle of government-approved marriage.

Government has absolutely no business, either at the state or federal level, regulating personal intimate relationships, much less offering benefits to one select group and denying them to others, like me, who don't have such relationships. It's a violation of the Equal Protection Clause for the government to benefit "married" people over non-married people in the first place. There is simply no excuse for it, and the roots of US regulation of marriage are found in racism and segregation. These laws were formulated to prevent interracial marriage and things expanded from there, as they always do with government once it gets its nose under the tent.

We need a Constitutional Amendment prohibiting government at all levels from offering "married" persons benefits or protections of any kind that are in any way different from the benefits and protections that are offered to individuals.

Marriage is inherently a religious practice and always has been, and therefore our government is absolutely forbidden from interfering with it by the First Amendment.

Get government out of the marriage business altogether and the problem goes away. Marry anybody you want to marry. Marry a dog, or a horse, or your own child, just don't expect government to recognize that religious act as either making you eligible for benefits from government or immune from laws regulating social behavior (like incest...which itself is a highly debatable issue in and of itself).

Personal intimate relationships are personal and none of anybody's business, certainly not the government. Why is that so hard for everyone to understand?
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Post by Hermit » Sat Jun 27, 2015 10:01 am

Seth wrote:The problem with this decision ... is that it shows that the Supreme Court is no longer a judicial body, it has vested itself with the power to make law rather than the limited power to review laws made by the legislature.
SCOTUS has not made a new law. Like the supreme judiciary body of any nation it has interpreted the meaning of the constitution in a way that is different to how it was previously understood. Without such changes slavery would still be legal, women would still not be allowed to vote, women would still be property of men, the crime of rape would still not apply within a marriage and marriages between so called races would not be permitted.

In this particular instance SCOTUS has not directly made a determination regarding marriage laws. It has applied section 1 of the fourteenth amendment in a more consistent manner. This is the salient part of it: "No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States." Some states have abridged the privilege to marry by excluding homosexual couples from the right to marry. SCOTUS has determined that any state laws which abridge that privilege are unconstitutional.

So, no, SCOTUS has not made a law. It has enforced the constitution in a way it has not, but should have been enforced all along.
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Post by mistermack » Sat Jun 27, 2015 3:53 pm

Seth wrote: Government has absolutely no business, ....... offering benefits to one select group and denying them to others,
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Post by trdsf » Sun Jun 28, 2015 6:27 am

rEvolutionist wrote:Well that's it. I'm divorcing my goat now. :nono:
But what about the kids? :rimshot:
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Re: US Supreme Cour: Gay marriage is legal nationwide

Post by JimC » Sun Jun 28, 2015 7:56 am

trdsf wrote:
rEvolutionist wrote:Well that's it. I'm divorcing my goat now. :nono:
But what about the kids? :rimshot:
Garlic and red wine, IMO... :food:
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