What Nobel winner Tim Hunt's sexist outburst actually says

[pErvinalia]

So let's try to put this into the story: he made the comments at the time and the people questioned him where he reaffirmed his beliefs. He was asked after the speech by a journalist who he says he can be honest with because she seems tougher than most women and won't cry on him, where he reaffirms his belief. He then attempts his first apology where he reaffirms his belief.

And now apparently the Daily Mail has found out that he doesn't really believe those things and said something different?

That's some amazing skeptic work there Dave, and entirely convenient that it happens to confirm your prior beliefs when we ignore all other evidence to the contrary.

You're going to need to be a bit more specific about what "beliefs" you think he reaffirmed.

That women belong in the kitchen or bedroom.

[Forty Two]

I googled Deborah Blum and tim Hunt and read articles regarding the incident. Nowhere does he "reaffirm beliefs."

He said he was joking, and when we read the transcript, it sure as heck comes across as an attempt at humor. I mean, his joke as the three part rhythm of a joke -- "let me tell you my problem with girls" --- point one, point two and on the third point it feels like he's punching the joke - ba dum bump. Then he says "But seriously...." and proceeds to be more serious about it.

The most Blum said is that he said he was "being honest" and we don't know what he's being honest about -- that people fall in love with each other in the workplace? That women are more apt to cry? That he's a male chauvinist monster?

His big mistake was in trying to apologize for it. Apologies to the social justice extremist crowd are blood in the water for sharks.
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And, Revolutionist - I heard him tell his wife to "Get your bitch-ass in the kitchen and bake me some pie." Well, actually, he said that women cry more easily than men, but we know he really meant for women to get their asses in the kitchen.... But, you know, if he weighs more than a duck, he's made of wood...so.

[mistermack]

The Blum woman doesn't quote his words, and is clearly putting her own spin on what he ACTUALLY said.
She's a cunt.

So that's the link that Samsa omitted?

I'm not surprised.

[pErvinalia]

There's actually no confirmed account of what he said. We've basically got to different versions. Unless there is a recording out there somewhere...

[pErvinalia]

edit: ooops, sorry. Misinterpretation.

[pErvinalia]

And, Revolutionist - I heard him tell his wife to "Get your bitch-ass in the kitchen and bake me some pie." Well, actually, he said that women cry more easily than men, but we know he really meant for women to get their asses in the kitchen.... But, you know, if he weighs more than a duck, he's made of wood...so.

yeah, sorry, I misread what was being asked.

[Xamonas Chegwé]

Here's a female scientist that agrees with Sir Tim Hunt.

https://medium.com/@a_rubin/i-m-a-femal ... 58bb657349

[Forty Two]

Here's a female scientist that agrees with Sir Tim Hunt.

https://medium.com/@a_rubin/i-m-a-femal ... 58bb657349

Interestingly, he did not really say that women were a distraction to men in the lab. He said both men and women were a distraction to each other in a lab. I think some of the reaction to his comments comes from the traditional notion of men as attracted to women, but not really vice versa, and that men are the initiators, the insatiable ones, the ones who always are on about sex, whereas women are not.

She says, "First of all, Sir Tim’s comments are based on his personal experiences, and are therefore incontrovertible." While offered with sarcasm, this is actually what feminists tend to say -- don't discount women's lived experience. Well, everyone has lived experience. Maybe when he criticized women they did cry, or at least more often than men. I never saw a man cry at work, but I've seen several women cry at work (over work-related stuff).

Where this scientist goes off the rails is when she starts suggesting that Hunt is saying the saw a woman cry in the lab and so all women are unfit to be scientists. He said exactly the opposite in his speech, actually. The writer's reaction is hyperbolic and exaggerated. It's plainly sarcasm, but takes rather innocuous playful banter -- a joke during a speech -- and blows it all out of proportion, much like the whole incident itself.

It's a shame people have to be so nutty about this stuff. It gives one the feeling of walking on eggshells.

[Xamonas Chegwé]

The writer's reaction is hyperbolic and exaggerated. It's plainly sarcasm, but takes rather innocuous playful banter -- a joke during a speech -- and blows it all out of proportion, much like the whole incident itself.

And exactly as you just did there! Well played, Sir.

[Forty Two]

The writer's reaction is hyperbolic and exaggerated. It's plainly sarcasm, but takes rather innocuous playful banter -- a joke during a speech -- and blows it all out of proportion, much like the whole incident itself.

And exactly as you just did there! Well played, Sir.

Calling something hyperbolic, exaggerated and blown all out of proportion is itself hyperbolic, exaggerated and blown all out of proportion?

[Xamonas Chegwé]

The writer's reaction is hyperbolic and exaggerated. It's plainly sarcasm, but takes rather innocuous playful banter -- a joke during a speech -- and blows it all out of proportion, much like the whole incident itself.

And exactly as you just did there! Well played, Sir.

Calling something hyperbolic, exaggerated and blown all out of proportion is itself hyperbolic, exaggerated and blown all out of proportion?

Reacting seriously to what is obviously satire - and pretty funny satire at that, most certainly is. I assumed you were taking the piss in your reply. Perhaps you just lack a funny bone. If so, they are available for purchase on Ebay.

[Doubtdispelled]

Hi DD!

Hi Rev! Long time no speak. But then I've been trying to avoid the interwebs.


I see you are still fighting the good fight.

[Doubtdispelled]

Here's a female scientist that agrees with Sir Tim Hunt.

https://medium.com/@a_rubin/i-m-a-femal ... 58bb657349

As a post-menopausal woman who now realises that she could have become a scientist if - oh well, let's just say many, many things had been different a long time ago, I fully appreciate this article.

[laklak]

That women belong in the kitchen or bedroom.

They belong in the harem, and must only enter my chambers when summoned.

And they need to stay the hell out of my kitchen. The other day Mrs. Lak emptied the dishwasher and put the fucking tongs in the utensil basket on the counter! Anyone with a half brain knows the tongs belong in the top drawer.

Don't get me started on the poultry shears.

[Doubtdispelled]

That women belong in the kitchen or bedroom.

They belong in the harem, and must only enter my chambers when summoned.

And they need to stay the hell out of my kitchen. The other day Mrs. Lak emptied the dishwasher and put the fucking tongs in the utensil basket on the counter! Anyone with a half brain knows the tongs belong in the top drawer.

Don't get me started on the poultry shears.

I'm sorry, Lak, but your attempts at levity and your supposed jokes are as obviously ham-fisted and misjudged as those of Tim Hunt.

But then again, my 'sorry' up there is about as genuine as his was, so I guess that might just about make us equal.