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Matter That Suspected North Carolina Shooter Is An Atheist?

Post by cronus » Thu Jun 18, 2015 4:56 am

http://thinkprogress.org/culture/2015/0 ... r-atheist/

Does It Matter That The Suspected North Carolina Shooter Is An Atheist?

When Greg Epstein, prominent atheist and author of Good Without God: What a Billion Nonreligious People Do Believe, first heard about the tragic murder of three Muslim students in North Carolina Wednesday morning, he was shocked for the victims, but otherwise felt distant from the situation.

“It kind of went in one ear and out the other, unfortunately,” Epstein told ThinkProgress.

But as the day wore on and it was revealed that the suspected killer, Craig Stephen Hicks, was almost surely an atheist like himself, Epstein rushed to his computer to learn more.
“I went on Facebook and I looked up the name of the alleged shooter, and I had 27 mutual Facebook friends with him,” he said. “That knocked me over.”

Epstein, who is also chaplain of Harvard University’s Humanist community (a group of mostly atheists, agnostics, and skeptics), explained that most of the friends were people he had met while touring the country to promote his book — people he said were, like Hicks, “actively following the atheist and secular movement.” Hicks’ atheism and anti-faith views, evidenced by multiple posts on his Facebook wall praising unbelief and criticizing religion, have become a fixture of news coverage surrounding the killings, with the victims’ families and over 100 Muslim groups demanding that the murders be investigated as a hate crime.

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Re: Matter That Suspected North Carolina Shooter Is An Athei

Post by JimC » Thu Jun 18, 2015 6:41 am

Vast numbers of muslims are killed by other muslims in shiite/sunni sectarian violence.

The real hate crimes.
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Post by rainbow » Thu Jun 18, 2015 8:02 am

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Re: Matter That Suspected North Carolina Shooter Is An Athei

Post by cronus » Thu Jun 18, 2015 8:23 am

Is it a good idea that militant atheism is now a reality on the map of human progress? I think so. Being a nihilist explosions and stuff are merely chemical reactions, and no more. Seems if you want to change peoples minds, win friends and influence people having physical presence via armed struggle might be the way to do it. Whilst The God Delusion is a very good book it nowhere prohibits a militarized atheism that expands via muscle, despite the opinions of the author - peace be upon Dawkins. Yes, the weaker form - the moderating influence of debate and slow change is all well and good. Yet history does show the only thing slow movements do is give the forces, in this case the worlds great religions with their own history of violence, more time to organize counter-revolution. And make our revolution, in this case cultural revolution towards a worldwide secular atheist rationalist modern future, even more difficult - if not impossible to achieve.
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Post by Svartalf » Thu Jun 18, 2015 8:37 am

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Post by rainbow » Thu Jun 18, 2015 8:37 am

Scumple wrote:Is it a good idea that militant atheism is now a reality on the map of human progress? I think so. Being a nihilist explosions and stuff are merely chemical reactions, and no more. Seems if you want to change peoples minds, win friends and influence people having physical presence via armed struggle might be the way to do it. Whilst The God Delusion is a very good book it nowhere prohibits a militarized atheism that expands via muscle, despite the opinions of the author - peace be upon Dawkins. Yes, the weaker form - the moderating influence of debate and slow change is all well and good. Yet history does show the only thing slow movements do is give the forces, in this case the worlds great religions with their own history of violence, more time to organize counter-revolution. And make our revolution, in this case cultural revolution towards a worldwide secular atheist rationalist modern future, even more difficult - if not impossible to achieve.
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Post by pErvinalia » Thu Jun 18, 2015 9:54 am

Is this about the "church" shooting today? In that one 9 out of 11 people in the church were killed. I'm pretty sure God send the shooter as the church goers weren't being proactive enough in their faith.
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Post by rachelbean » Thu Jun 18, 2015 10:02 am

rEvolutionist wrote:Is this about the "church" shooting today? In that one 9 out of 11 people in the church were killed. I'm pretty sure God send the shooter as the church goers weren't being proactive enough in their faith.
No, it's not. That was likely a racist idiot (this article is several months old about a car park shooting).

And if there was a god, I don't think he'd be punishing those who are at church at 9pm on a Wednesday.

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Post by pErvinalia » Thu Jun 18, 2015 10:33 am

Don't presume to know the motives of God. He works in strange ways... :prof:


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Re: Matter That Suspected North Carolina Shooter Is An Athei

Post by Svartalf » Thu Jun 18, 2015 10:37 am

Well, if you admit the principle of an omniscient, omnipotent deity, it ensues that whatever happens happens by its will, or at least by its consent.
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Re: Matter That Suspected North Carolina Shooter Is An Athei

Post by Tero » Thu Jun 18, 2015 12:30 pm

http://www.ibtimes.com/chapel-hill-shoo ... le-1814128

Atheists have no morals, so it's merely their laziness that prevents them from shooting people every night instead of watching Big Bang theory reruns.

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Re: Matter That Suspected North Carolina Shooter Is An Athei

Post by cronus » Thu Jun 18, 2015 12:46 pm

Morality? I have no need for that conjecture....
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Re: Matter That Suspected North Carolina Shooter Is An Athei

Post by rainbow » Wed Jun 24, 2015 8:27 am

Tero wrote:http://www.ibtimes.com/chapel-hill-shoo ... le-1814128

Atheists have no morals, so it's merely their laziness that prevents them from shooting people every night instead of watching Big Bang theory reruns.
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