What Nobel winner Tim Hunt's sexist outburst actually says

[cronus]

The answer in the long term is to let robots do science....gender neutral and dedicated. Built by robots.

[pErvinalia]

Scientists should be desexed!

[JimC]

With a blunt knife!

[DaveDodo007]

You are all missing the point as this is not a left or right issue as both sides have their assholes. This isn't even a feminism, communism, fascism issue. It is a authoritarian vs liberty issue. Authoritarians want to control you and your behaviour whatever political flag they wrap themselves up in. If you don't have a problem with that well it does make you a sheep but fine, knock yourselves out. Nobody is going to tell me what I can say and do and how I behave (as long as I don't break the law.) I have no time for appeasers as they are just cowards.

Listen to these great men.

“An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.”


― Winston S. Churchill

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

- Martin Niemöller.

You are entitled to give up your rights and freedoms little by little but when they come to piss on your parade you will have no right to complain. I prefer to defend the rights of even assholes right to be assholes knowing I'm also protecting my own freedoms. I can't believe how niave some of you are being. Ask any civil rights activist as they spend their time defending scoundrels. After all an authoritarian isn't going to start off trying to curtail the rights of the average citizen. No it's all 'someone think of the children' or in this case 'someone think of the women.' Do you really think women are going to curl up in a ball because some old fart made a sweeping generalization, seriously who is being sexist now. I need to introduce you lot to some scouse women if the only women you lot know are so weak and pathetic.

[Mr.Samsa]

You are all missing the point as this is not a left or right issue as both sides have their assholes. This isn't even a feminism, communism, fascism issue. It is a authoritarian vs liberty issue. Authoritarians want to control you and your behaviour whatever political flag they wrap themselves up in. If you don't have a problem with that well it does make you a sheep but fine, knock yourselves out. Nobody is going to tell me what I can say and do and how I behave (as long as I don't break the law.) I have no time for appeasers as they are just cowards.

I agree! The fucking authoritarians are trying to control people and preventing them from presenting their opinions and criticisms of ideas, and preventing employers from forcing shitty employees out of their business. Nobody is going to tell me what I can say and do and how I behave (as long as I don't break the law), so I'm going to criticise people saying shitty things as long as they say shitty things.

Listen to these great men.

“An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.”


― Winston S. Churchill

Wise words - I'll follow them and not stop criticising sexists like Hunt just because whiners on the internet think he should be allowed to say the things he said consequence free. I will not appease the authoritarians!!

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

- Martin Niemöller.

There's a similar saying:

First they came for the racists and I didn't speak out because I didn't think people were lesser based on the colour of their skin;

Then they came for the sexists and I didn't speak out because I didn't discount the value of women based entirely on account of their sex;

Then they came for the homophobes and I didn't speak out because dudes can fuck other dudes and women can fuck other women as much as they like, it's not my business;

Then they came for a bunch of other shitty people like child abusers, thieves, rapists, etc etc, and I didn't speak out because I'm not a horrible person.

Then, after all that, life was actually pretty good because, fuck it, those people were horrible.

You are entitled to give up your rights and freedoms little by little but when they come to piss on your parade you will have no right to complain. I prefer to defend the rights of even assholes right to be assholes knowing I'm also protecting my own freedoms. I can't believe how niave some of you are being. Ask any civil rights activist as they spend their time defending scoundrels. After all an authoritarian isn't going to start off trying to curtail the rights of the average citizen.

I just don't understand why you are taking the authoritarian route of shutting down valid discussion just because you disagree with it. I prefer promoting free speech and free expression.

No it's all 'someone think of the children' or in this case 'someone think of the women.' Do you really think women are going to curl up in a ball because some old fart made a sweeping generalization, seriously who is being sexist now. I need to introduce you lot to some scouse women if the only women you lot know are so weak and pathetic.

The problem isn't that they're going to be "upset", it's that dehumanising an entire half of the population is not something a supposedly intelligent person should be doing and they deserve to be called out for it. Not to mention the fact that he admitted to not hiring women, whether they were qualified or not, based on his beliefs, and not to mention that it ties into the whole problem of sexism in science and is really just a prime example of the bigger problem.

But it's okay for people to make these statements. It's wrong of you to try to argue that people don't have the right to voice their counter opinions and instead that sexists should be allowed to say what they like consequence free.

[Hermit]

It is a authoritarian vs liberty issue.

I'm with you all the way, Dodo. Let's start with supporting the right of women who are suitably qualified to work in labs with men. It's a liberty everybody should be entitled to. And let's fight men who would use their personal authority to stop them from availing themselves to that liberty.

[DaveDodo007]

God there are some pathetic people posting on this board. I notice you don't have a problem with #killallmen and #killallwhitemen what about my fee fees. The 'diversity officer' bans men from a 'diversity' meeting at Goldsmiths university. A member of the Liberal Democrats posts kill all men on twitter. I notice your outrage is all one way, how about being consistent. I said I support free speech and I do, doesn't mean people could and will suffer the consequences of their free speech especially when it comes to your employment but if you need to get someone fire because he has opinions you don't like then you are a pathetic crybaby. If you are pro censorship then I will fight you and join groups who will fight you every step of the way. Fuck busy bodies and fuck their enablers.

[Hermit]

I see Dodo has joined Laklak's "Let's all get upset about women issues" club.

Excellent. It adds to our laughter.

[DaveDodo007]

I see Dodo has joined Laklak's "Let's all get upset about women issues" club.

Excellent. It adds to our laughter.

Gasp, some people aren't scared of words even if they disagree with them.

[Hermit]

I know. Now stop making such loud, whining noises. Mayhem is trying to sleep.

[DaveDodo007]

That's quite a good comic actually. It shows how the guy is willing to ignore harm committed against other people (usually minorities if we're talking about the problems in video games, journalism, media, etc), but is suddenly all offended when he's in trouble and needs help. If we apply it to the Tim Hunt situation, it would be like people who defend him arguing that people are just "whiners" when they point out actual harm committed against them and then when the person who attacked them simply gets criticised, they're all having a cry about it as if they deserve to have their voice heard.

The only problem is that it makes no sense to portray what I assume is a feminist. With things like feminism in video games it's obviously the feminists who are attacked and have bomb threats made against them, etc, whereas the MRA/gamergater crybabies are all whining about how it sucks that somebody dared question their precious games.

Everyone has a right to free speech and everybody has the right to criticize others free speech. It is when you hound people out of their work and they lose their employment because they hold opinions you don't like is a fucking problem. If you can't see that then well done you, you have just taken the first step to totalitarianism.

[Hermit]

It is when you hound people out of their work ...

That is exactly what Hunt has done all his life. But when the boot is in the other foot you break your silence. Hypocrisy much?

[DaveDodo007]

It is when you hound people out of their work ...

That is exactly what Hunt has done all his life. But when the boot is in the other foot you break your silence. Hypocrisy much?

Examples please.

[Hermit]

Right here right now.

[DaveDodo007]

Right here right now.

You said all his life, we are just talking about one instance here.