Why creationists can laugh at atheist feminists?

[Hermit]

We can see that there are a whole range of inequalities and gender-based discrimination, my point is that the term "the patriarchy" is not a helpful descriptor.

You mentioned your objection three days ago in this thread and I replied to it here.

[DaveDodo007]

^^^ Exactly. Notwithstanding the few exceptions patriarchy is about women being expected to do the bulk of raising children and doing domestic chores and men doing hazardous jobs to bring in the money and getting killed in wars.

And is that really an accurate description of expectations now?

Check out what percentage of soldiers, miners and construction workers and what percentage of men are the main care givers in a family or nurses or teachers, then ask the question again.

Is biology so confusing to you?

Do you mean that women are less capable of pulling a trigger or operate heavy machinery because they have a vagina? Or do you mean that men make better neurosurgeons and are not as suitable for doing domestic chores because they have a penis?

FFS, anyone can do housework and most people do as it is not rocket science. I'm sick of women doing gender studies and then complaining there is a lack of women doing STEM studies, they are part of the problem and it is getting beyond a joke. Same with politics, if a women thinks the gender bias in government is a problem then become a politician. Fuck me Pakistan has had more women leaders than the USA and Islam is a misogynistic religion, be the change you want to see. It is funny how feminists complain about the lack of women in CEO positions (Who are all sociopaths what ever their gender.) Though the lack of women road sweepers, binmen, oil rigs, construction workers and sewage workers does not concern them. Let men have the hard, dangerous jobs with a high fatality rate but let more of us be parachuted into the cushy well paying jobs. Without the merit of being a capitalistic running dog to achieve it in the first place. In the Western world women have a choice and choose to pick more cushy office work jobs. When I see feminist complaining about the glass floor before looking at the glass ceiling, then get back to me. Their choice their right and not some patriarchy plot, do you really want to force women to do jobs they don't choose to just get your preferred outcome?' Fuck you women as you will do as you are told so we can have equality of outcome,' Jesus do you even think it through before you post.

[DaveDodo007]

We who bear beards would be glad to be called patriarchs

Beards are cool, respect the beards.

[Brian Peacock]

It is funny how feminists complain about the lack of women in CEO positions (Who are all sociopaths what ever their gender.) Though the lack of women road sweepers, binmen, oil rigs, construction workers and sewage workers does not concern them. Let men have the hard, dangerous jobs with a high fatality rate but let more of us be parachuted into the cushy well paying jobs. Without the merit of being a capitalistic running dog to achieve it in the first place.

LoL. it's funny how sexists pull this one out about the rigours and dangers of 'mans work' while implicitly maintaining a some natural division between the capacities of the sexes. Women did dangerous jobs with a high fatality rate during the war, at a lower rate than them men who were packed off to war, and when the men came back it was back to business as usual. It's not an issue about women's capabilities or inclinations or desires for an easy life - it's just about treating humans equally. Women do the heavy lifting and shit mopping in care homes, the personal care, the cooking, the cleaning, for low wages, and yet men's assumptions about their 'natural' capacities and responsibilities mean they still have to call in at the supermarket, and pick the kids up from school, and have the bread-winning man's dinner on the table when he comes in from his often cushy well paid job. Do you think men would quietly put up with getting less than the minimum wage for providing social care services for and agency? Yet women put up with it simply because they have little choice but to do otherwise. How about calling for an equal division of labour Dave, rather than just lambasting a whole sex for wishing to see an equality of opportunity in the workplace?

[DaveDodo007]

It is funny how feminists complain about the lack of women in CEO positions (Who are all sociopaths what ever their gender.) Though the lack of women road sweepers, binmen, oil rigs, construction workers and sewage workers does not concern them. Let men have the hard, dangerous jobs with a high fatality rate but let more of us be parachuted into the cushy well paying jobs. Without the merit of being a capitalistic running dog to achieve it in the first place.

LoL. it's funny how sexists pull this one out about the rigours and dangers of 'mans work' while implicitly maintaining a some natural division between the capacities of the sexes. Women did dangerous jobs with a high fatality rate during the war, at a lower rate than them men who were packed off to war, and when the men came back it was back to business as usual. It's not an issue about women's capabilities or inclinations or desires for an easy life - it's just about treating humans equally. Women do the heavy lifting and shit mopping in care homes, the personal care, the cooking, the cleaning, for low wages, and yet men's assumptions about their 'natural' capacities and responsibilities mean they still have to call in at the supermarket, and pick the kids up from school, and have the bread-winning man's dinner on the table when he comes in from his often cushy well paid job. Do you think men would quietly put up with getting less than the minimum wage for providing social care services for and agency? Yet women put up with it simply because they have little choice but to do otherwise. How about calling for an equal division of labour Dave, rather than just lambasting a whole sex for wishing to see an equality of opportunity in the workplace?

Erm...I think you are missing the point of my post. Nobody is saying women can't do the jobs mentioned. It is when given the choice they choose not to. The reasons for not choosing said jobs are obvious but blaming the fabled patriarchy for women making their own choices is absurd.

[pErvinalia]

And men don't choose this?? - "Men are 95% of the homeless, men make up 98% of work place deaths and the vast majority of work placed injuries. Suicide rates for men are three to one compared to women,"

[DaveDodo007]

And men don't choose this?? - "Men are 95% of the homeless, men make up 98% of work place deaths and the vast majority of work placed injuries. Suicide rates for men are three to one compared to women,"

This is such a mendacious post that you could limbo under a snakes belly. Is your ideology so dear to you that men and boys suffering is a political point. Nobody but nobody cares about men and boys issues as they are disposable units. Men and boys have to look after themselves because nobody else will, War veteran fuck you that you went through basic training to turn you into a killing machine and can't adjust back to normal society as it is your fault being poor and the government advertising of how the arm forces is a great career for a young man. Your a man so you better take any job that is going or stave as you don't have a say in the matter. Domestic violence, doesn't matter if the majority of women initiate it and you're 40% of the victims fuck you as there is no place to go.

I know what your disingenuous post was trying to convey that masculinity and testosterone were toxic (yay us ebil 50% of the population are are own worse enemies whilst oppressing the womyns1111s.) Fuck you, you sad white knight mangina gimp. Men made this world and most of the wonders and science in it. There where wars and shit and stuff. Though we come from animals and still are hairless apes and yet the progress we have made is amazing and anybody in the Western world doesn't realize this is a luddite and go and live somewhere else. Some men fall short of the high expectations we place upon manhood doesn't mean we can shame them and not help them. The Western world is fucking awesome because of mostly white men and I say this as a hybred Turkish/English person.

If you want to kiss arse to feminism's victimhood with all its cultural marxism bollocks then do so as I like a good laugh at gullible tosspots.

[Hermit]

Do you mean that women are less capable of pulling a trigger or operate heavy machinery because they have a vagina? Or do you mean that men make better neurosurgeons and are not as suitable for doing domestic chores because they have a penis?

FFS, anyone can do housework and most people do as it is not rocket science. I'm sick of women doing gender studies and then complaining there is a lack of women doing STEM studies, they are part of the problem and it is getting beyond a joke. Same with politics, if a women thinks the gender bias in government is a problem then become a politician. Fuck me Pakistan has had more women leaders than the USA and Islam is a misogynistic religion, be the change you want to see. It is funny how feminists complain about the lack of women in CEO positions (Who are all sociopaths what ever their gender.) Though the lack of women road sweepers, binmen, oil rigs, construction workers and sewage workers does not concern them. Let men have the hard, dangerous jobs with a high fatality rate but let more of us be parachuted into the cushy well paying jobs. Without the merit of being a capitalistic running dog to achieve it in the first place. In the Western world women have a choice and choose to pick more cushy office work jobs. When I see feminist complaining about the glass floor before looking at the glass ceiling, then get back to me. Their choice their right and not some patriarchy plot, do you really want to force women to do jobs they don't choose to just get your preferred outcome?' Fuck you women as you will do as you are told so we can have equality of outcome,' Jesus do you even think it through before you post.

In short. Women have it good, and yet they keep making unreasonable demands for even more cushy lives. Sounds familiar, and no wonder. It's standard operational procedure of MRAs. And utter bullshit from Go to wo.

[DaveDodo007]

Do you mean that women are less capable of pulling a trigger or operate heavy machinery because they have a vagina? Or do you mean that men make better neurosurgeons and are not as suitable for doing domestic chores because they have a penis?

FFS, anyone can do housework and most people do as it is not rocket science. I'm sick of women doing gender studies and then complaining there is a lack of women doing STEM studies, they are part of the problem and it is getting beyond a joke. Same with politics, if a women thinks the gender bias in government is a problem then become a politician. Fuck me Pakistan has had more women leaders than the USA and Islam is a misogynistic religion, be the change you want to see. It is funny how feminists complain about the lack of women in CEO positions (Who are all sociopaths what ever their gender.) Though the lack of women road sweepers, binmen, oil rigs, construction workers and sewage workers does not concern them. Let men have the hard, dangerous jobs with a high fatality rate but let more of us be parachuted into the cushy well paying jobs. Without the merit of being a capitalistic running dog to achieve it in the first place. In the Western world women have a choice and choose to pick more cushy office work jobs. When I see feminist complaining about the glass floor before looking at the glass ceiling, then get back to me. Their choice their right and not some patriarchy plot, do you really want to force women to do jobs they don't choose to just get your preferred outcome?' Fuck you women as you will do as you are told so we can have equality of outcome,' Jesus do you even think it through before you post.

In short. Women have it good, and yet they keep making unreasonable demands for even more cushy lives. Sounds familiar, and no wonder. It's standard operational procedure of MRAs. And utter bullshit from Go to wo.

Nice deconstruction of my post there, oh wait, it just hurt your feels and you went whaa whaa whaa. Get back to me when you grow up and can present a argument. I'll wait.

[pErvinalia]

And men don't choose this?? - "Men are 95% of the homeless, men make up 98% of work place deaths and the vast majority of work placed injuries. Suicide rates for men are three to one compared to women,"

This is such a mendacious post that you could limbo under a snakes belly. Is your ideology so dear to you that men and boys suffering is a political point. Nobody but nobody cares about men and boys issues as they are disposable units. Men and boys have to look after themselves because nobody else will, War veteran fuck you that you went through basic training to turn you into a killing machine and can't adjust back to normal society as it is your fault being poor and the government advertising of how the arm forces is a great career for a young man. Your a man so you better take any job that is going or stave as you don't have a say in the matter. Domestic violence, doesn't matter if the majority of women initiate it and you're 40% of the victims fuck you as there is no place to go.

I know what your disingenuous post was trying to convey that masculinity and testosterone were toxic (yay us ebil 50% of the population are are own worse enemies whilst oppressing the womyns1111s.) Fuck you, you sad white knight mangina gimp. Men made this world and most of the wonders and science in it. There where wars and shit and stuff. Though we come from animals and still are hairless apes and yet the progress we have made is amazing and anybody in the Western world doesn't realize this is a luddite and go and live somewhere else. Some men fall short of the high expectations we place upon manhood doesn't mean we can shame them and not help them. The Western world is fucking awesome because of mostly white men and I say this as a hybred Turkish/English person.

If you want to kiss arse to feminism's victimhood with all its cultural marxism bollocks then do so as I like a good laugh at gullible tosspots.

Nice drunken rant. It doesn't address your hypocrisy, though. You can't on the one hand claim it's teh womenz fault for choosing to be unequal, when the exact same thing could apply to men. You've got a serious problem. It's laughable that you think you are a rationalist. And looking at your post below to Hermit, it's clear that you simply hate women. You might like to give yourself a label other than misogynist, but that's just a façade in an attempt to make yourself less toxic to the ideal of a civilised society. We can all see exactly what you are.

[pErvinalia]

Do you mean that women are less capable of pulling a trigger or operate heavy machinery because they have a vagina? Or do you mean that men make better neurosurgeons and are not as suitable for doing domestic chores because they have a penis?

FFS, anyone can do housework and most people do as it is not rocket science. I'm sick of women doing gender studies and then complaining there is a lack of women doing STEM studies, they are part of the problem and it is getting beyond a joke. Same with politics, if a women thinks the gender bias in government is a problem then become a politician. Fuck me Pakistan has had more women leaders than the USA and Islam is a misogynistic religion, be the change you want to see. It is funny how feminists complain about the lack of women in CEO positions (Who are all sociopaths what ever their gender.) Though the lack of women road sweepers, binmen, oil rigs, construction workers and sewage workers does not concern them. Let men have the hard, dangerous jobs with a high fatality rate but let more of us be parachuted into the cushy well paying jobs. Without the merit of being a capitalistic running dog to achieve it in the first place. In the Western world women have a choice and choose to pick more cushy office work jobs. When I see feminist complaining about the glass floor before looking at the glass ceiling, then get back to me. Their choice their right and not some patriarchy plot, do you really want to force women to do jobs they don't choose to just get your preferred outcome?' Fuck you women as you will do as you are told so we can have equality of outcome,' Jesus do you even think it through before you post.

In short. Women have it good, and yet they keep making unreasonable demands for even more cushy lives. Sounds familiar, and no wonder. It's standard operational procedure of MRAs. And utter bullshit from Go to wo.

Nice deconstruction of my post there, oh wait, it just hurt your feels and you went whaa whaa whaa. Get back to me when you grow up and can present a argument. I'll wait.

Umm, did you forget what you just posted to me?!?

[Brian Peacock]

It is funny how feminists complain about the lack of women in CEO positions (Who are all sociopaths what ever their gender.) Though the lack of women road sweepers, binmen, oil rigs, construction workers and sewage workers does not concern them. Let men have the hard, dangerous jobs with a high fatality rate but let more of us be parachuted into the cushy well paying jobs. Without the merit of being a capitalistic running dog to achieve it in the first place.

LoL. it's funny how sexists pull this one out about the rigours and dangers of 'mans work' while implicitly maintaining a some natural division between the capacities of the sexes. Women did dangerous jobs with a high fatality rate during the war, at a lower rate than them men who were packed off to war, and when the men came back it was back to business as usual. It's not an issue about women's capabilities or inclinations or desires for an easy life - it's just about treating humans equally. Women do the heavy lifting and shit mopping in care homes, the personal care, the cooking, the cleaning, for low wages, and yet men's assumptions about their 'natural' capacities and responsibilities mean they still have to call in at the supermarket, and pick the kids up from school, and have the bread-winning man's dinner on the table when he comes in from his often cushy well paid job. Do you think men would quietly put up with getting less than the minimum wage for providing social care services for and agency? Yet women put up with it simply because they have little choice but to do otherwise. How about calling for an equal division of labour Dave, rather than just lambasting a whole sex for wishing to see an equality of opportunity in the workplace?

Erm...I think you are missing the point of my post. Nobody is saying women can't do the jobs mentioned. It is when given the choice they choose not to.

... whereas the heroic man of your HEROIC EPIC NARRATIVE positively chooses danger and hardship for the greater good of all, right?

The reasons for not choosing said jobs are obvious but blaming the fabled patriarchy for women making their own choices is absurd.

That's called 'having it both ways up' Dave. So what would you say to the woman who chose not to do menial, degrading, and/or low paid work when that was the only choice available to her regardless of her capabilities? Bet I can guess: "Get over it sweetheart. That's just a woman's lot."

[laklak]

Fuck hardship and danger and all that rot. I'll have another beer, please, and my social security check.

[DaveDodo007]

And men don't choose this?? - "Men are 95% of the homeless, men make up 98% of work place deaths and the vast majority of work placed injuries. Suicide rates for men are three to one compared to women,"

This is such a mendacious post that you could limbo under a snakes belly. Is your ideology so dear to you that men and boys suffering is a political point. Nobody but nobody cares about men and boys issues as they are disposable units. Men and boys have to look after themselves because nobody else will, War veteran fuck you that you went through basic training to turn you into a killing machine and can't adjust back to normal society as it is your fault being poor and the government advertising of how the arm forces is a great career for a young man. Your a man so you better take any job that is going or stave as you don't have a say in the matter. Domestic violence, doesn't matter if the majority of women initiate it and you're 40% of the victims fuck you as there is no place to go.

I know what your disingenuous post was trying to convey that masculinity and testosterone were toxic (yay us ebil 50% of the population are are own worse enemies whilst oppressing the womyns1111s.) Fuck you, you sad white knight mangina gimp. Men made this world and most of the wonders and science in it. There where wars and shit and stuff. Though we come from animals and still are hairless apes and yet the progress we have made is amazing and anybody in the Western world doesn't realize this is a luddite and go and live somewhere else. Some men fall short of the high expectations we place upon manhood doesn't mean we can shame them and not help them. The Western world is fucking awesome because of mostly white men and I say this as a hybred Turkish/English person.

If you want to kiss arse to feminism's victimhood with all its cultural marxism bollocks then do so as I like a good laugh at gullible tosspots.

Nice drunken rant. It doesn't address your hypocrisy, though. You can't on the one hand claim it's teh womenz fault for choosing to be unequal, when the exact same thing could apply to men. You've got a serious problem. It's laughable that you think you are a rationalist. And looking at your post below to Hermit, it's clear that you simply hate women. You might like to give yourself a label other than misogynist, but that's just a façade in an attempt to make yourself less toxic to the ideal of a civilised society. We can all see exactly what you are.

Huh? Do you even listen to yourself. Women choose what jobs they want given the limitations of living in a capitalist system. That is their right and only you and hermit are claiming it is the illuminati erm sorry the patriarchy making them. Oh sorry it must be muh soggy knees making me point this out to you.

[DaveDodo007]

It is funny how feminists complain about the lack of women in CEO positions (Who are all sociopaths what ever their gender.) Though the lack of women road sweepers, binmen, oil rigs, construction workers and sewage workers does not concern them. Let men have the hard, dangerous jobs with a high fatality rate but let more of us be parachuted into the cushy well paying jobs. Without the merit of being a capitalistic running dog to achieve it in the first place.

LoL. it's funny how sexists pull this one out about the rigours and dangers of 'mans work' while implicitly maintaining a some natural division between the capacities of the sexes. Women did dangerous jobs with a high fatality rate during the war, at a lower rate than them men who were packed off to war, and when the men came back it was back to business as usual. It's not an issue about women's capabilities or inclinations or desires for an easy life - it's just about treating humans equally. Women do the heavy lifting and shit mopping in care homes, the personal care, the cooking, the cleaning, for low wages, and yet men's assumptions about their 'natural' capacities and responsibilities mean they still have to call in at the supermarket, and pick the kids up from school, and have the bread-winning man's dinner on the table when he comes in from his often cushy well paid job. Do you think men would quietly put up with getting less than the minimum wage for providing social care services for and agency? Yet women put up with it simply because they have little choice but to do otherwise. How about calling for an equal division of labour Dave, rather than just lambasting a whole sex for wishing to see an equality of opportunity in the workplace?

Erm...I think you are missing the point of my post. Nobody is saying women can't do the jobs mentioned. It is when given the choice they choose not to.

... whereas the heroic man of your HEROIC EPIC NARRATIVE positively chooses danger and hardship for the greater good of all, right?

Is it really necessary to go all rEv on my ass, if you want to have a calm discussion on this issue then I am all ears. Men as a whole are more willing to do dangerous jobs and not so dangerous but very dirty jobs. They don't all think they will die doing these jobs but they statistics do not lie. So I ask you Brian are you willing to engage in honest debate?

The reasons for not choosing said jobs are obvious but blaming the fabled patriarchy for women making their own choices is absurd.

That's called 'having it both ways up' Dave.

No, it is called looking at the figures of what genders choose (from the limited choice both genders have) the employment they have.

So what would you say to the woman who chose not to do menial, degrading, and/or low paid work when that was the only choice available to her regardless of her capabilities? Bet I can guess: "Get over it sweetheart. That's just a woman's lot."

Not sure what you are getting at here, do you think there are only menial jobs that women have to do, there are just as many menial jobs that men have to do as well. People with poor education have to do menial jobs all the time just to get by. The rent, bills, food and just living doesn't pay for itself you know. So I have to ask, why are you only concerned with one gender being shit on and not both?