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Future Russian Army Will Piss On US Rustware

Post by cronus » Mon May 04, 2015 8:43 am

http://rt.com/news/242097-pak-ta-russian-army/

Future Russian army could deploy anywhere in the world – in 7 hours

In the future, a fleet of heavy transport aircraft will reportedly be capable of moving a strategic unit of 400 Armata tanks, with ammunition, to anywhere in the world. And probably at hypersonic speed, enabling Russia to mount a global military response.

According to a new design specification from the Military-Industrial Commission in Moscow, a transport aircraft, dubbed PAK TA, will fly at supersonic speeds (up to 2,000 km/h) and will boast an impressively high payload of up to 200 tons. It will also have a range of at least 7,000 kilometers.

The PAK TA program envisages 80 new cargo aircraft to be built by 2024. This means in a decade Russia’s Central Command will be able to place a battle-ready armored army anywhere, Expert Online reports, citing a source in the military who attended the closed meeting.

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Post by Svartalf » Mon May 04, 2015 9:05 am

They can't affoird it, even if they can actually make it, which is doubtful... this may deliver at the prototype stage, but will never go beyond.
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Ebola will kill them first.
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Post by cronus » Mon May 04, 2015 9:14 am

rEvolutionist wrote:Ebola will kill them first.
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Post by JimC » Mon May 04, 2015 10:55 pm

Vapourware...
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Post by klr » Tue May 05, 2015 11:11 pm

Scumple wrote:http://rt.com/news/242097-pak-ta-russian-army/

Future Russian army could deploy anywhere in the world – in 7 hours

In the future, a fleet of heavy transport aircraft will reportedly be capable of moving a strategic unit of 400 Armata tanks, with ammunition, to anywhere in the world. And probably at hypersonic speed, enabling Russia to mount a global military response.

According to a new design specification from the Military-Industrial Commission in Moscow, a transport aircraft, dubbed PAK TA, will fly at supersonic speeds (up to 2,000 km/h) and will boast an impressively high payload of up to 200 tons. It will also have a range of at least 7,000 kilometers.

The PAK TA program envisages 80 new cargo aircraft to be built by 2024. This means in a decade Russia’s Central Command will be able to place a battle-ready armored army anywhere, Expert Online reports, citing a source in the military who attended the closed meeting.

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Hypersonic = 5 x the speed of sound or more*, which is very different from mere supersonic.

*Although since these things would be going to a very high altitude, the speed of sound is meaningless.

Anyway, this is just moonshine. A pipe dream. Castles in the air. Call it what you will. It belongs in the realm of 1950s/1960s military fantasy. And utterly unworkable for many reasons, some quite mundane. What if the armoured divisions were located some inconvenient distance from the aircraft bases? They would take days just to bring them all together, along with their crews, supplies and support units. And what sort of air bases would these wonder planes need, both in Russia and wherever they need to go to?

Some of the basic numbers don't even add up. Fully loaded, this new tank will weigh close on 60 tonnes, so one aircraft could hold 3. To transport 400 tanks (two armoured divisions) would require 130 flights, not counting everything and everyone else that makes up such units, which would be vast. 80 aircraft wouldn't cut it, unless they planned on several waves of flights, which would take several days to organise and execute even once everything else was ready. Never mind the fact that traditional armoured units are largely defunct nowadays.

The current doctrine in most armed forces is for boring but reliable subsonic transport aircraft with very good rough-field capability, able to support operations in very harsh environments and less developed regions. There are all sorts of articles and proposals about hypersonic transport, but it's mostly pie in the sky, and a very long way from anything concrete.
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Post by JimC » Wed May 06, 2015 12:10 am

^^^^^^^^^

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Post by Seth » Wed May 06, 2015 1:06 am

Svartalf wrote:They can't affoird it, even if they can actually make it, which is doubtful... this may deliver at the prototype stage, but will never go beyond.
I have to agree. Putin's sabre rattling again.
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Post by Xamonas Chegwé » Thu May 07, 2015 4:29 pm

Would such invasions involve these, reliable super-tanks? :tea:
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Post by JimC » Thu May 07, 2015 9:18 pm

Xamonas Chegwé wrote:Would such invasions involve these, reliable super-tanks? :tea:
Some poor fucking mechanic is now in a gulag...
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Post by piscator » Thu May 07, 2015 9:33 pm

...a transport aircraft, dubbed PAK TA, will fly at supersonic speeds (up to 2,000 km/h) and will boast an impressively high payload of up to 200 tons...

Range=71km. You can only fit a finite amount of fuel in a hypersonic wing... :fp:

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Post by Seth » Fri May 08, 2015 12:24 am

JimC wrote:
Xamonas Chegwé wrote:Would such invasions involve these, reliable super-tanks? :tea:
Some poor fucking mechanic is now in a gulag...
They don't use gulags anymore, they just go ahead and shoot them on the spot, like the Chinese.
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Post by Tyrannical » Fri May 08, 2015 3:34 am

Russia has enough problems near their own borders, and, ummm, former borders.
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Post by klr » Sun May 10, 2015 7:15 pm

Xamonas Chegwé wrote:Would such invasions involve these, reliable super-tanks? :tea:
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