Jamest, I offer you serious discussion

[pErvinalia]

I'm home now. I'm all yours, James. What do you want to know? Ask me something serious about science. Part of my answer, at least, will be serious.

[JimC]

It will end in tears...

[pErvinalia]

Come on James, you cock-knob! Jeez.

[jamest]

Prove that matter exists. I'm tired of wearing this fuckin' robe.

[hackenslash]

Define 'matter'.

[pErvinalia]

Prove that matter exists. I'm tired of wearing this fuckin' robe.

Prove in the scientific sense, that's easy. But we all know you are babbling about philosophy. I said SCIENCE, man!!

[pErvinalia]

Seriously, you need to get over your infatuation with naive philosophy. Philosophy is good for teaching us how to ask the proper questions and how to appropriately treat answers. But it's not a source for knowledge of the world. No matter how much you polish your sandals.

[tattuchu]

It will end in tears...

I was hoping it would end in beers

[jamest]

Prove that matter exists. I'm tired of wearing this fuckin' robe.

Prove in the scientific sense, that's easy.

How do you prove, in a 'scientific sense', that matter exists?

But we all know you are babbling about philosophy. I said SCIENCE, man!!

Err, okay. Tell me about the origins of the [complex] single cell from the primordial soup.

[pErvinalia]

Prove that matter exists. I'm tired of wearing this fuckin' robe.

Prove in the scientific sense, that's easy.

How do you prove, in a 'scientific sense', that matter exists?

Because in a scientific sense, matter is a scientific term. It's easy to prove it exists in a scientific sense by simply observing it.

I'm not sure if you're up to this serious discussion thing, JT.

But we all know you are babbling about philosophy. I said SCIENCE, man!!

Err, okay. Tell me about the origins of the [complex] single cell from the primordial soup.

You want to know about abiogenisis? That's a question that can't be answered yet.

I'm thinking more of a scientific problem that you don't quite grasp or think has a flaw in it. Or whatever it is you reckon passes for serious discussion.

[jamest]

How do you prove, in a 'scientific sense', that matter exists?

Because in a scientific sense, matter is a scientific term.

Irrelevant to the question.

It's easy to prove it exists in a scientific sense by simply observing it.

You've just made a philosophical claim... an absurd metaphysical claim. Namely, that observed/experienced A = A. In other words, you've just made a monkey of yourself.

I'm not sure if you're up to this serious discussion thing, JT.

Err, okay. Tell me about the origins of the [complex] single cell from the primordial soup.

You want to know about abiogenisis? That's a question that can't be answered yet.

Therefore God.

I'm thinking more of a scientific problem that you don't quite grasp or think has a flaw in it. Or whatever it is you reckon passes for serious discussion.

How does the ovum become [say] a human being?

[pErvinalia]

How do you prove, in a 'scientific sense', that matter exists?

Because in a scientific sense, matter is a scientific term.

Irrelevant to the question.

It's easy to prove it exists in a scientific sense by simply observing it.

You've just made a philosophical claim... an absurd metaphysical claim. Namely, that observed/experienced A = A. In other words, you've just made a monkey of yourself.

Bollocks. The proof in a scientific context involves observation. That's why the fact that I was referring to a scientific sense IS relevant to the question.

Err, okay. Tell me about the origins of the [complex] single cell from the primordial soup.

You want to know about abiogenisis? That's a question that can't be answered yet.

Therefore God.

We can do logic if you want. You clearly need some work on that subject...

I'm thinking more of a scientific problem that you don't quite grasp or think has a flaw in it. Or whatever it is you reckon passes for serious discussion.

How does the ovum become [say] a human being?

What, am I wikipedia? This is simple stuff. If you think there is a problem hidden in there, out with it, man!

[tattuchu]

If rEv's a monkey, I hope we can at least say he's one of those cute monkeys like a capuchin. And cheeky. A cute cheeky monkey, that's our rEv.

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[PsychoSerenity]

Err, okay. Tell me about the origins of the [complex] single cell from the primordial soup.

You want to know about abiogenisis? That's a question that can't be answered yet.

Therefore God.

Actually there are scientists that are now pretty much there on at least one possibility of how it could have happened:

Common origins of RNA, protein and lipid precursors in a cyanosulfidic protometabolism

A minimal cell can be thought of as comprising informational, compartment-forming and metabolic subsystems. To imagine the abiotic assembly of such an overall system, however, places great demands on hypothetical prebiotic chemistry. The perceived differences and incompatibilities between these subsystems have led to the widely held assumption that one or other subsystem must have preceded the others. Here we experimentally investigate the validity of this assumption by examining the assembly of various biomolecular building blocks from prebiotically plausible intermediates and one-carbon feedstock molecules. We show that precursors of ribonucleotides, amino acids and lipids can all be derived by the reductive homologation of ​hydrogen cyanide and some of its derivatives, and thus that all the cellular subsystems could have arisen simultaneously through common chemistry. The key reaction steps are driven by ultraviolet light, use ​hydrogen sulfide as the reductant and can be accelerated by Cu(I)–Cu(II) photoredox cycling.

Therefore not god.

[tattuchu]

I actually like reading this serious discussion stuff even though I'm not smart enough to seriously contribute so do carry on, chaps

rEv is still a cute cheeky monkey, though.