Animavore wrote:Seth wrote:JimC wrote:So Seth, medical climate researchers in the past who received a lot of money from the tobacco industry, IPCC and various government agencies worldwide and published material which attempted to minimise maximize the harm done by smoking carbon emissions were entirely innocent, and their research is just as objective and useful as any other scientists?
Get real...

This idea suffers the exact same problem as any other conspiracy theory;
far too many people involved. Do you honestly expect us to believe thousands of scientists from a multitude of fields are all in on some big scheme together without a whistle-blower in sight?
There are plenty of whistle blowers out there, but they get attacked with circumstantial ad hominem fallacies when they blow their whistles, and yes, if you follow the money it's perfectly plausible that an AGW religious cult has come into being among climate scientists, who know upon which side of the bread is the butter. After all, some of the top climate scientists have been caught in lies and have been shown to have been manipulating results to amplify the effects of the alleged AGW. Now NOAA appears to be involved in tweaking historical temperature records to change the slope of the line to support the AGW theory, even as, 17 years later, the "warming" has stopped.
The observable facts seem to be denying the predictions of the various climate models, which makes the climate models faulty, not the climate. Now it may be that the religious fervor of the AGW cult has caused scientists to do sloppy work full of confirmation bias driven by a desire to not be pilloried and marginalized by the climate research AGW cult, but the actual evidence that's been coming in doesn't seem to match what the models predicted, which suggests that the models are faulty and therefore any reliance on them or their root assumptions may also be faulty.
That's as absurd as believing 9/11 was a massive conspiracy and for the same reason.
But believing in one or two scientists being paid by vested interests to sow manufactured doubt against the established science; far more plausible.
Now all you have to do is prove it.
"Seth is Grandmaster Zen Troll who trains his victims to troll themselves every time they think of him" Robert_S
"All that is required for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke
"Those who support denying anyone the right to keep and bear arms for personal defense are fully complicit in every crime that might have been prevented had the victim been effectively armed." Seth
© 2013/2014/2015/2016 Seth, all rights reserved. No reuse, republication, duplication, or derivative work is authorized.