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by Warren Dew » Thu Jan 29, 2015 1:58 am
Hermit wrote:It is fun to gloat over the failure of the Golden Dawn, but the future of Greece does not look rosy. Greece is now governed by a party very much on the left end of its political spectrum, but that party cannot govern without the consent of its coalition partners, some of which are labelled centrist but in reality rather right wing. That coalition is bound to fall apart. The ideological differences will overwhelm the common goal of ending the austerity program imposed by the EU and the IMF. Then the colonels will take over. They have a record of doing that, and once they repeat the intervention Golden Dawn will be in the driver's seat regardless of its lack of electoral appeal. There are also strong parallels with the demise of the Weimar Republic.
Left wing SYRIZA has only one coalition partner. Granted that partner is right wing Independent Greeks. They have the common goal of renegotiating the bailout deal, which is really the only issue they got elected on.
Of course, the troika's agreement would also be required to renegotiate the bailout, and that might be hard to get. Meanwhile, SYRIZA will mess up all the hard won economic gains from Samaras' policies.
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by pErvinalia » Thu Jan 29, 2015 2:04 am
Economic gains like unemployment??
Isn't SYRIZA itself a loose coalition?
It will be really interesting to watch what happens now. This is a real life economic/political experiment in action.
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by Hermit » Thu Jan 29, 2015 3:30 am
Warren Dew wrote:Left wing SYRIZA has only one coalition partner.
If that isn't sufficient to almost certainly ensure an early collapse, the fact that SYRIZA itself is an amalgam of 13 minor parties. What could possibly go wrong?
Warren Dew wrote:Meanwhile, SYRIZA will mess up all the hard won economic gains from Samaras' policies.
And what would those hard won economic gains be?
Oh, and this post is pretty much a repeat of what rEvolutionist said above.
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by pErvinalia » Thu Jan 29, 2015 4:07 am
For someone who is well and truly over the status quo, I am really excited to see something that challenges the idiotic neoliberal narrative. But I'm a bloody pessimist, of course, so I see it ending badly, unfortunately.
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by pErvinalia » Thu Jan 29, 2015 11:22 am
Angela Merkel is the most monstrous western European leader of this generation. Politicians who inflict economic cruelty on a mass scale, trashing the lives of millions as they do so, do not end up in courts to face justice. But Merkel undoubtedly stands tried and convicted in the dock of history already. The EU’s high priests of austerity conjure up the words of Charlie Chaplin’s rousing speech at the end of The Great Dictator: “Machine men, with machine minds and machine hearts”. The Greeks have rebelled against machine men – and women – and they are crying out for others to follow.
However, Merkel, the EU bureaucrats and international financiers are cruel but not stupid: they know hope is a contagion, and will do all they can to stop Syriza inspiring others. Merkel has already demanded that Alexis Tsipras, the new Greek prime minister, ignore his democratic mandate and stick to foreign-imposed austerity measures.
In the runup to the election, leaks from the German government suggested a Greek exit from the eurozone: a clear message to the Greek people not to vote the wrong way. For those who want Europe to have a future that isn’t one of falling living standards, rising insecurity and stripped-away social provision, it is the policies of Merkel and the rotten elites she represents that must face a reckoning.
Consider the Nobel prizewinning economist Paul Krugman’s skewering of a policy that has hacked away a quarter of the Greek economy. As Krugman notes, the troika – the IMF, European Central Bank and European commission – promoted “an economic fantasy”, for which the Greeks have paid. They projected that unemployment would peak at 15% in 2012, but it hurtled to over 25% instead. He demolishes the lie that the Greeks did not impose enough austerity: they cut even further than was planned, and as the economy collapsed so did the tax revenues.
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by tattuchu » Thu Jan 29, 2015 12:45 pm
JimC wrote:I hope, at least, it is a civil war.
Politeness is always important...
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by rainbow » Thu Jan 29, 2015 2:13 pm
What exactly is the "Greek Style"?
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by pErvinalia » Thu Jan 29, 2015 2:14 pm
With yoghurt?

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by rainbow » Thu Jan 29, 2015 2:17 pm
No, I'm sure that was Bulgarian.
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by pErvinalia » Thu Jan 29, 2015 2:18 pm
Smashing plates?

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by rainbow » Thu Jan 29, 2015 2:20 pm
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by tattuchu » Thu Jan 29, 2015 2:22 pm
rainbow wrote:What exactly is the "Greek Style"?
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by pErvinalia » Thu Jan 29, 2015 2:26 pm
I'm strangely turned on by that image...

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by Warren Dew » Fri Jan 30, 2015 9:03 am
rEvolutionist wrote:Economic gains like unemployment??

Under New Democracy, yes:

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by pErvinalia » Fri Jan 30, 2015 9:20 am

Up from 9% from before austerity was imposed.

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