The Blinded Public

[pErvinalia]

I may never get to be put up against the coffee shop window in your world, as I will be more likely to be killed before that point by another citizen in a gun attack. This is the point you can't seem to get.

[piscator]

You can all but eliminate both issues if you pack enough ammo...

[Brian Peacock]

But what if the other fella is packing more?

[Hermit]

Doesn't matter. You just draw faster and the baddie always miss anyway. Don't you watch any Terence Hill, Clint Eastwood or John Wayne films?

[Seth]

I may never get to be put up against the coffee shop window in your world, as I will be more likely to be killed before that point by another citizen in a gun attack. This is the point you can't seem to get.

The point you can't seem to get is that your paranoid fears of your fellow law-abiding citizens are not sufficient cause to deny others the ability to defend themselves effectively. You're far more likely to be shot and killed by the police than you are an armed citizen. About eleven times more likely in fact, at least here in the US.

Just yesterday a 17 year old girl in a car full of other juvenile girls was shot dead by police because she panicked when they approached the car. She put it in gear and struck one of the officers in the leg, and they opened up on her and killed her.

[Seth]

But what if the other fella is packing more?

If you're doing things properly you only need one round, or perhaps a max of three: two to the chest and one to the head...if it's still there when you finish the first two shots.

One should always conserve ammo through good marksmanship and tactics because one never knows when one might need the extra rounds.

[Xamonas Chegwé]

A plane, so called, hits the pentagon and leaves absolutely no trace of a plane wreckage!!!!

64 people died on American Airlines Flight 77. If, as you seem to claim, the plane didn't hit the Pentagon, what are you suggesting happened to those people?

Were they "disappeared"?
Were they paid off, given new identities, and their funerals (complete with grieving relatives) staged?
Was the plane downed at some other, undisclosed, and so-far undiscovered location?

Or do you have some other explanation that doesn't involve the plane that they were flying in being used as a missile?

These people had names, addresses, families. THousands of people knew them and miss them. Yet you are suggesting that their deaths (or possibly their entire lives) were part of some cleverly staged propaganda coup?

Grow up!

[laklak]

The Illumibergmasoreptiles can do anything, man!

[Sean Hayden]

Illumibergmasoreptiles

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/05/world ... .html?_r=0

... The operatives used false names but left a paper trail of unencrypted cellphone records and credit card bills at luxury hotels in Milan.

sneaky bastids!

[JimC]

I may never get to be put up against the coffee shop window in your world, as I will be more likely to be killed before that point by another citizen in a gun attack. This is the point you can't seem to get.

The point you can't seem to get is that your paranoid fears of your fellow law-abiding citizens are not sufficient cause to deny others the ability to defend themselves effectively. You're far more likely to be shot and killed by the police than you are an armed citizen. About eleven times more likely in fact, at least here in the US.

Just yesterday a 17 year old girl in a car full of other juvenile girls was shot dead by police because she panicked when they approached the car. She put it in gear and struck one of the officers in the leg, and they opened up on her and killed her.

That's your problem, not ours.

[RESiNATE]

I'd beg them to pull the trigger

[piscator]

I may never get to be put up against the coffee shop window in your world, as I will be more likely to be killed before that point by another citizen in a gun attack. This is the point you can't seem to get.

The point you can't seem to get is that your paranoid fears of your fellow law-abiding citizens are not sufficient cause to deny others the ability to defend themselves effectively. You're far more likely to be shot and killed by the police than you are an armed citizen. About eleven times more likely in fact, at least here in the US.

Just yesterday a 17 year old girl in a car full of other juvenile girls was shot dead by police because she panicked when they approached the car. She put it in gear and struck one of the officers in the leg, and they opened up on her and killed her.

That's your problem, not ours.

Seth had less to do with it than you. Seth's mass contributed less to the mass of the vehicle (and bullets) than yours, owning to your more nearly antipodal position relative to the earth's center of mass/gravity. So why is it Seth's problem?

[JimC]

"Your" meaning it's the US's problem, not Oz or the rest of the civilised world...

[piscator]

"Your" meaning it's the US's problem, not Oz or the rest of the civilised world...

It ain't a US problem either. It's a horrible tragedy for those surrounding the victim, and a local law enforcement problem. Iff it wasn't made up.

[RESiNATE]

Grow up!

I've been trying to grow up for ages, but it just aint happening.

I'm not arguing with you, and I don't intend to offer any bullshit to explain where anybody on those flights 'disappeared'.
I look at the photos and news footage shown at the time, and what I saw (fabricated or not) didn't convince me that any plane managed to navigate a flight path riddled with lamp-posts and road signs, was not intercepted by the anti-aircraft missile systems housed at the most defended building in the United States, and punched through a heavily reinforced wall without leaving any trace of plane wreckage.

That causes me to ask questions.

If you choose not to ask questions, but believe what you are told that's fine. But just because I decide to dig a little deeper doesn't make me stupid.

I ask questions until I arrive at a satisfactory answer that is beyond reasonable doubt - that is my nature and I make no apologies for it. You can brand me a conspiracy theorist if it makes you happy, it makes no difference to me what-so-ever. It is sad to think that we are living in a world where a person is vilified for asking questions.

You place the burden of proof upon me, and yet you offer nothing to convince me otherwise. I wonder where I have heard these kind of arguments before...

You can insult me all you like, I have spent a life-time being insulted, but I will continue to ask questions until I get the undeniable truth - I do so because of the 3000+ people who died that day, not in spite of them. I'm not some ghoul, slavering at the jowls in the hope of catching someone out so that I can puff my chest out and wave my finger saying "I told you so!" I am simply asking questions.