Greek civil war, when not if

[Warren Dew]

Interesting times ahead in Greece. I'm hearing that some polls that the media doesn't like to advertise has Golden Dawn in first place with 22% support, and that was before two Golden Dawn members were murdered. The US embassy is also rumored to have conducted a poll a few weeks ago that put GD nearly in first.
Looks to me that arresting the GD leaders has back fired.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-30975437
Sunset for the Golden Dawn. 6%

Within a percentage point of where they were in the 2012 election. The 22% poll for that election must have been a rather extreme outlier, if it actually existed.

[Xamonas Chegwé]

Interesting times ahead in Greece. I'm hearing that some polls that the media doesn't like to advertise has Golden Dawn in first place with 22% support, and that was before two Golden Dawn members were murdered. The US embassy is also rumored to have conducted a poll a few weeks ago that put GD nearly in first.
Looks to me that arresting the GD leaders has back fired.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-30975437
Sunset for the Golden Dawn. 6%

Within a percentage point of where they were in the 2012 election. The 22% poll for that election must have been a rather extreme outlier, if it actually existed.

Golden Dawn have never polled over 10% in any election. The 22% figure was a widely touted opinion poll prior to the 2014 EU elections. They actually polled 9.4% - their highest ever total. This was seen as a protest vote against austerity measures (which, at the time, none of the major parties were opposed to.) The rise of SYRIZA has pretty much dampened that squib.

[rainbow]

I get my news straight from Greek golden dawn supporters from certain sympathetic sites. Though I'm sure the Greeks you'd associate with have different views.

Do don't want to mess with these guys:

[Hermit]

You'd have to be mad to mess with a people that will launch a thousand ships and sack a major city because of an abduction of one woman. Eight times.

[Brian Peacock]

I'm just completely dumbfounded that Scrumple didn't start this thread. He must be in love or something.

[Hermit]

You shouldn't be. Wars are tainted with an aspect of glory. There usually is a winner to whom go the spoils and the joy. Scumple is into total and universal misery.

[Warren Dew]

Interesting times ahead in Greece. I'm hearing that some polls that the media doesn't like to advertise has Golden Dawn in first place with 22% support, and that was before two Golden Dawn members were murdered. The US embassy is also rumored to have conducted a poll a few weeks ago that put GD nearly in first.
Looks to me that arresting the GD leaders has back fired.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-30975437
Sunset for the Golden Dawn. 6%

Within a percentage point of where they were in the 2012 election. The 22% poll for that election must have been a rather extreme outlier, if it actually existed.

Golden Dawn have never polled over 10% in any election. The 22% figure was a widely touted opinion poll prior to the 2014 EU elections. They actually polled 9.4% - their highest ever total. This was seen as a protest vote against austerity measures (which, at the time, none of the major parties were opposed to.) The rise of SYRIZA has pretty much dampened that squib.

If it was EU elections, the Golden Dawn vote wasn't just a vote against austerity - it was a vote against EU membership. SYRIZA claims they want to stay in the EU.

[Xamonas Chegwé]

Interesting times ahead in Greece. I'm hearing that some polls that the media doesn't like to advertise has Golden Dawn in first place with 22% support, and that was before two Golden Dawn members were murdered. The US embassy is also rumored to have conducted a poll a few weeks ago that put GD nearly in first.
Looks to me that arresting the GD leaders has back fired.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-30975437
Sunset for the Golden Dawn. 6%

Within a percentage point of where they were in the 2012 election. The 22% poll for that election must have been a rather extreme outlier, if it actually existed.

Golden Dawn have never polled over 10% in any election. The 22% figure was a widely touted opinion poll prior to the 2014 EU elections. They actually polled 9.4% - their highest ever total. This was seen as a protest vote against austerity measures (which, at the time, none of the major parties were opposed to.) The rise of SYRIZA has pretty much dampened that squib.

If it was EU elections, the Golden Dawn vote wasn't just a vote against austerity - it was a vote against EU membership. SYRIZA claims they want to stay in the EU.

Quite true. But, at the time, no credible party was campaigning on either platform - anti-austerity or EU-withdrawal. Now that SYRIZA has adopted one half of that, GD has dropped back to 6%.

[Warren Dew]

If it was EU elections, the Golden Dawn vote wasn't just a vote against austerity - it was a vote against EU membership. SYRIZA claims they want to stay in the EU.

Quite true. But, at the time, no credible party was campaigning on either platform - anti-austerity or EU-withdrawal. Now that SYRIZA has adopted one half of that, GD has dropped back to 6%.

SYRIZA has been campaigning against austerity since at least 2012, I believe. I suppose you could argue they weren't credible back then.

I suspect the result is just that while people trust Golden Dawn EU representatives to vote to dissolve the EU, they don't trust Golden Dawn to run the country. There's a similar effect with the UKIP in the UK, if I recall correctly.

[Xamonas Chegwé]

If it was EU elections, the Golden Dawn vote wasn't just a vote against austerity - it was a vote against EU membership. SYRIZA claims they want to stay in the EU.

Quite true. But, at the time, no credible party was campaigning on either platform - anti-austerity or EU-withdrawal. Now that SYRIZA has adopted one half of that, GD has dropped back to 6%.

SYRIZA has been campaigning against austerity since at least 2012, I believe. I suppose you could argue they weren't credible back then.

I suspect the result is just that while people trust Golden Dawn EU representatives to vote to dissolve the EU, they don't trust Golden Dawn to run the country. There's a similar effect with the UKIP in the UK, if I recall correctly.

Very true. Anti-EU parties always do much better in EU elections. So, if they got what they wanted, they would fuck up their election chances!

[klr]

So, Golden Dawn polled 6.28%

Not so such Golden as very foggy.

[Hermit]

It is fun to gloat over the failure of the Golden Dawn, but the future of Greece does not look rosy. Greece is now governed by a party very much on the left end of its political spectrum, but that party cannot govern without the consent of its coalition partners, some of which are labelled centrist but in reality rather right wing. That coalition is bound to fall apart. The ideological differences will overwhelm the common goal of ending the austerity program imposed by the EU and the IMF. Then the colonels will take over. They have a record of doing that, and once they repeat the intervention Golden Dawn will be in the driver's seat regardless of its lack of electoral appeal. There are also strong parallels with the demise of the Weimar Republic.

[Xamonas Chegwé]

It is fun to gloat over the failure of the Golden Dawn, but the future of Greece does not look rosy. Greece is now governed by a party very much on the left end of its political spectrum, but that party cannot govern without the consent of its coalition partners, some of which are labelled centrist but in reality rather right wing. That coalition is bound to fall apart. The ideological differences will overwhelm the common goal of ending the austerity program imposed by the EU and the IMF. Then the colonels will take over. They have a record of doing that, and once they repeat the intervention Golden Dawn will be in the driver's seat regardless of its lack of electoral appeal. There are also strong parallels with the demise of the Weimar Republic.

You forgot the plague of frogs. There's bound to be a plague of frogs. Possibly newts. But definitely some form of amphibious plaguage.

[JimC]

It is fun to gloat over the failure of the Golden Dawn, but the future of Greece does not look rosy. Greece is now governed by a party very much on the left end of its political spectrum, but that party cannot govern without the consent of its coalition partners, some of which are labelled centrist but in reality rather right wing. That coalition is bound to fall apart. The ideological differences will overwhelm the common goal of ending the austerity program imposed by the EU and the IMF. Then the colonels will take over. They have a record of doing that, and once they repeat the intervention Golden Dawn will be in the driver's seat regardless of its lack of electoral appeal. There are also strong parallels with the demise of the Weimar Republic.

"The best lack all conviction, the worst are full of passionate intensity.
The centre cannot hold, mere anarchy is loosed upon the world"

[Hermit]

It is fun to gloat over the failure of the Golden Dawn, but the future of Greece does not look rosy. Greece is now governed by a party very much on the left end of its political spectrum, but that party cannot govern without the consent of its coalition partners, some of which are labelled centrist but in reality rather right wing. That coalition is bound to fall apart. The ideological differences will overwhelm the common goal of ending the austerity program imposed by the EU and the IMF. Then the colonels will take over. They have a record of doing that, and once they repeat the intervention Golden Dawn will be in the driver's seat regardless of its lack of electoral appeal. There are also strong parallels with the demise of the Weimar Republic.

You forgot the plague of frogs.

Did not. Check "the colonels". They do have amphibious transport as well, you know?