41 men targeted but 1,147 people killed: US drone strikes

[cronus]

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2014 ... -kill-1147

41 men targeted but 1,147 people killed: US drone strikes – the facts on the ground

The drones came for Ayman Zawahiri on 13 January 2006, hovering over a village in Pakistan called Damadola. Ten months later, they came again for the man who would become al-Qaida’s leader, this time in Bajaur.

Eight years later, Zawahiri is still alive. Seventy-six children and 29 adults, according to reports after the two strikes, are not.

However many Americans know who Zawahiri is, far fewer are familiar with Qari Hussain. Hussain was a deputy commander of the Pakistani Taliban, a militant group aligned with al-Qaida that trained the would-be Times Square bomber, Faisal Shahzad, before his unsuccessful 2010 attack. The drones first came for Hussain years before, on 29 January 2008. Then they came on 23 June 2009, 15 January 2010, 2 October 2010 and 7 October 2010.

Finally, on 15 October 2010, Hellfire missiles fired from a Predator or Reaper drone killed Hussain, the Pakistani Taliban later confirmed. For the death of a man whom practically no American can name, the US killed 128 people, 13 of them children, none of whom it meant to harm.

A new analysis of the data available to the public about drone strikes, conducted by the human-rights group Reprieve, indicates that even when operators target specific individuals – the most focused effort of what Barack Obama calls “targeted killing” – they kill vastly more people than their targets, often needing to strike multiple times. Attempts to kill 41 men resulted in the deaths of an estimated 1,147 people, as of 24 November.

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[pErvinalia]

Well done, Merka.

[cronus]

Well done, Merka.

How to make friends and influence people....

[pErvinalia]

Cleaning up terrorism in the Middle East and beyond.

[cronus]

If they used gas the bodycount might be lower for innocent bystanders? A canister of lethal gas only needs to penetrate a building or vehicle without blowing a 100m crater into the countryside.

[piscator]

Reprieve, sifting through reports compiled by the Bureau of Investigative Journalism, examined cases in which specific people were targeted by drones multiple times. Their data, shared with the Guardian, raises questions about the accuracy of US intelligence guiding strikes that US officials describe using words like “clinical” and “precise.”

Those two sentences raise questions as well.

More often, HVTs are taken out by Seals and Delta creeping into their bedrooms in the middle of the night and taking scalps. AC130s and Predators are usually overwatch, primarily there to blow the fuck out of squirters or movers when necessary. If they catch you planting IEDs or moving in an armed patrol, the eyes in the sky will either engage you right there, or follow you home and get your whole support network.

[cronus]

Reprieve, sifting through reports compiled by the Bureau of Investigative Journalism, examined cases in which specific people were targeted by drones multiple times. Their data, shared with the Guardian, raises questions about the accuracy of US intelligence guiding strikes that US officials describe using words like “clinical” and “precise.”

Those two sentences raise questions as well.

More often, HVTs are taken out by Seals and Delta creeping into their bedrooms in the middle of the night and taking scalps. AC130s and Predators are usually overwatch, primarily there to blow the fuck out of squirters or movers when necessary. If they catch you planting IEDs or moving in an armed patrol, the eyes in the sky will either engage you right there, or follow you home and get your whole support network.

These are the very skills to necessary to quell the coming unrest in America where a large well armed populace seeks to rid itself of a tax obsessed tyrannous government.

[piscator]

Reprieve, sifting through reports compiled by the Bureau of Investigative Journalism, examined cases in which specific people were targeted by drones multiple times. Their data, shared with the Guardian, raises questions about the accuracy of US intelligence guiding strikes that US officials describe using words like “clinical” and “precise.”

Those two sentences raise questions as well.

More often, HVTs are taken out by Seals and Delta creeping into their bedrooms in the middle of the night and taking scalps. AC130s and Predators are usually overwatch, primarily there to blow the fuck out of squirters or movers when necessary. If they catch you planting IEDs or moving in an armed patrol, the eyes in the sky will either engage you right there, or follow you home and get your whole support network.

These are the very skills to necessary to quell the coming unrest in America where a large well armed populace seeks to rid itself of a tax obsessed tyrannous government.

Those are the skills necessary to keep ISIS decapitated and rudderless in the interim as well. Moreover, most of those most able to effect mass counterinsurgency operations on the American people on behalf of some glitch of our representative democracy are the exactly sort of gun-totin' redneck that would constitute the backbone of any ostensible antityrannical insurgency in the first place.

[cronus]

Reprieve, sifting through reports compiled by the Bureau of Investigative Journalism, examined cases in which specific people were targeted by drones multiple times. Their data, shared with the Guardian, raises questions about the accuracy of US intelligence guiding strikes that US officials describe using words like “clinical” and “precise.”

Those two sentences raise questions as well.

More often, HVTs are taken out by Seals and Delta creeping into their bedrooms in the middle of the night and taking scalps. AC130s and Predators are usually overwatch, primarily there to blow the fuck out of squirters or movers when necessary. If they catch you planting IEDs or moving in an armed patrol, the eyes in the sky will either engage you right there, or follow you home and get your whole support network.

These are the very skills to necessary to quell the coming unrest in America where a large well armed populace seeks to rid itself of a tax obsessed tyrannous government.

Those are the skills necessary to keep ISIS decapitated and rudderless in the interim as well. Moreover, most of those most able to effect mass counterinsurgency operations on the American people on behalf of some glitch of our representative democracy are the exactly sort of gun-totin' redneck that would constitute the backbone of any ostensible antityrannical insurgency in the first place.

Gas would sort ISIS out. Drones are the perfect delivery platform for gas. They can drop nerve gas from high and then use inbuilt machine guns on any survivors. I mean ISIS crossed the line first and don't deserve the respect of international law. Could take years and cost hundreds of lives both innocent civilian and military to clear things up conventionally. Likely a four month exercise using gas in comparison and leaving infrastructure intact for housing the refugees ISIS created.

[mistermack]

Bomber Harris, in WW2, had no worries about killing innocent civilians. He just carpet bombed entire cities.

The bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki took a lot of innocent lives.

War is shit, but I'm not going to get upset about the tribes in the North of Pakistan, or of Afghanistan, who are supporting and feeding the Taliban.
They're all fucking scum.

[pErvinalia]

"All" of them?

[mistermack]

"All" of them?

Scum now, or scum in the making.

[pErvinalia]

Something you clearly know about.

[mistermack]

There are no people on Earth that I care less about, than the Taliban and their friends.

It's not the humans, it's the culture, and what it turns them into. No loss.

[Seth]

Lesson: Don't hang around with Islamic terrorists.