Immigrants make you richer.

[pErvinalia]

Libertarianism only applies to the white man.

[JimC]

Libertarianism only applies to the white man.

Which one?

[Blind groper]

Property that was taken from the Maoris by force and fraud.

Where were you Libertarians then?

It is true that property was stolen from the Maori. However, we are now in the process of compensating the various tribes for those thefts. It is a mega billion dollar process, which is a big deal for a small nation like NZ.

Libertarians were there all right. The British colonists who carried out the property frauds were the most libertarian of all. A true socialist would have recognised the rights of the Maori to their land.

[Seth]

Seth wrote:

...don't send out your machine-gun armed jackbooted thugs from the IRS to take it from me by force.

Very remarkable indeed. I wasn't aware till now that BG, a somewhat elderly wine-drinking New Zealander, was in fact in charge of the US Internal Revenue Service, with machine-gun armed jackbooted thugs at his beck and call!

I shall walk softly around BG from now on, that's for sure...

Oh, you can be sure that somewhere, even in utopian New Zealand, there are jackbooted thugs with machine guns training hard to kill anyone who resists the commands of the government to fork over their property strongly enough.

Property that was taken from the Maoris by force and fraud.

Where were you Libertarians then?

Not being listened to, as usual.

[Seth]

Libertarianism only applies to the white man.

My, aren't you the racist fuck...

Go tell it to Alan Keyes.

[Seth]

Property that was taken from the Maoris by force and fraud.

Where were you Libertarians then?

It is true that property was stolen from the Maori. However, we are now in the process of compensating the various tribes for those thefts. It is a mega billion dollar process, which is a big deal for a small nation like NZ.

Libertarians were there all right. The British colonists who carried out the property frauds were the most libertarian of all. A true socialist would have recognised the rights of the Maori to their land.

Liar.

[pErvinalia]

Liar liar pants on fire!

[laklak]

Libertarianism only applies to the white man.

Hey, I resemble that remark!

[Hermit]

Libertarianism only applies to the white man.

My, aren't you the racist fuck...

Go tell it to Alan Keyes.

Keyes is just a useful idiot.

[Blind groper]

Liar.

Not at all.
Libertarians generally equate to the more conservative politics, and socialists to liberal.

At the time, recognising rights for Maori was liberal - extremely so. A bit like people in the USA recognising that the African descended people should have rights and not be slaves. To this day, the intellectual heirs of the slave owners are reluctant to recognise rights of African Americans, and the ones most willing to recognise those rights are considered liberals.

In the mid 19the century, it was similar in NZ. Liberals were regarded as 'bleeding hearts' being concerned about Maori land rights, and the libertarian conservatives were exercising their "right" to cut throat ruthless exploitation by stealing the land.

[JimC]

Libertarianism only applies to the white man.

Hey, I resemble that remark!

Not you, the other white guy...

[pErvinalia]

Libertarianism only applies to the white man.

My, aren't you the racist fuck...

Go tell it to Alan Keyes.

Keyes is just a useful idiot.

[Seth]

Liar.

Not at all.
Libertarians generally equate to the more conservative politics, and socialists to liberal.

You know jack shit about Libertarians, who tend to be fiscally conservative and socially liberal.

At the time, recognising rights for Maori was liberal - extremely so. A bit like people in the USA recognising that the African descended people should have rights and not be slaves. To this day, the intellectual heirs of the slave owners are reluctant to recognise rights of African Americans,

Complete unmitigated absolute ignorant bullcrap.

and the ones most willing to recognise those rights are considered liberals.

You are aware that it was the Democrats (liberals) who ruled the South throughout Reconstruction and Jim Crow aren't you?

The issue under discussion was ancestral guilt, which you seem quick to impose on my culture but slow to acknowledge as applied to your culture.

In the mid 19the century, it was similar in NZ. Liberals were regarded as 'bleeding hearts' being concerned about Maori land rights, and the libertarian conservatives were exercising their "right" to cut throat ruthless exploitation by stealing the land.

Liar.

[rainbow]

Seth wrote:

...don't send out your machine-gun armed jackbooted thugs from the IRS to take it from me by force.

Very remarkable indeed. I wasn't aware till now that BG, a somewhat elderly wine-drinking New Zealander, was in fact in charge of the US Internal Revenue Service, with machine-gun armed jackbooted thugs at his beck and call!

I shall walk softly around BG from now on, that's for sure...

Oh, you can be sure that somewhere, even in utopian New Zealand, there are jackbooted thugs with machine guns training hard to kill anyone who resists the commands of the government to fork over their property strongly enough.

Property that was taken from the Maoris by force and fraud.

Where were you Libertarians then?

Not being listened to, as usual.

Were they listened to when the Arapaho were forced out of Colorado at Sand Creek?

I assume you are familiar with the story, coming from that area?

[Hermit]

You know jack shit about Libertarians, who tend to be fiscally conservative and socially liberal.

Fiscally selfish and socially callous.